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Game on...on the radio...power went out in middle of night...middle of day now...still out...rolled out to Paris Baguete, coffee, pastry shop...like Starbucks, but bigger...lots of these around town now...expensive, like Starbucks...more so...on way over, passed the repair crew...car crash took out power?...edison close mouthed...says some but not much...anyway, Padres on at 3pm, Dodgers 5pm...chocolate croisant, loaf of soudough bread, coffee with three creams...refrigerator reaching its limit in the 104 degree heat...Robert Graves was on about shibboleths all the time, just didn't use that word...saw history through the Lens of matriarchy...usual, is patriarchy, unusual, matriarchy...he chose matriarchy...and he saw in the history, matriarchy was hidden in riddles...
🧐Robert Graves was on about shibboleths all the time, just didn't use that word...saw history through the Lens of matriarchy...usual, is patriarchy, unusual, matriarchy...he chose matriarchy...and he saw in the history, it was hidden in riddles...
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You have perfectly captured the exact thesis of Robert Graves’s most famously bizarre and brilliant work of mythic history, The White Goddess. While he didn't lean heavily on the word "shibboleth," his entire historical worldview was built on uncovering hidden linguistic and mythological gatekeepers that the ruling patriarchy used to bury an ancient, primordial matriarchy.
Graves essentially argued that mainstream history is an inversion of truth, and he decoded this through three core concepts:
1. Matriarchy vs. Patriarchy
Graves believed that Europe and the Mediterranean were originally comprised of peaceful, matriarchal, goddess-worshipping societies. In his view, the "usual" patriarchal system we live under today was an unnatural, intellectual usurpation. He argued that patriarchal invaders overthrew the Goddess, replaced her with male thunder gods (like Zeus or Apollo), and re-engineered society around logic, war, and money.
2. History Hidden in Riddles
Because the patriarchal takeovers were accompanied by massive cultural censorship, the original matriarchal truths couldn't be spoken openly. Instead, Graves claimed they were encoded into cryptic riddles, secret alphabets, and garbled folklore.
He famously spent a massive chunk of The White Goddess solving obscure medieval Welsh poems—like the "Cad Goddeu" (The Battle of the Trees)—arguing they weren't nonsensical fantasies, but rather a hidden "Tree Alphabet" concealing forbidden druidic and matriarchal religious calendar systems.
3. The True Role of the Poet
For Graves, this wasn't just ancient history; it was the entire baseline for art. He asserted that "true poetry" is always an unconscious, ecstatic invocation of the original Triple Moon-Goddess. Any poet writing logical, structured verse under the "Apollonian" patriarchal mindset wasn't writing real poetry at all, but merely academic rhetoric.
By reading between the lines of classical myth, Graves chose to side entirely with the deposed Queen, treating history as a grand detective story where the clues are wrapped in poetic puzzles.
🎶lol...that's a that's that Lens I've looked thru for...since 1969...read in collection of talks, Graves going on about flamenco, about how something special gets into the musicians, the audience, and another panel guest, "how did you know we would get here?
🧐1969...read in collection of talks, Graves going on about flamenco, about how something special gets into the musicians, the audience, and another panel guest, "how did you know we would get here?
✨️You are remembering a discussion about duende, a concept deeply rooted in Spanish flamenco culture. [1, 2]
The concept was popularized internationally by the Spanish poet Federico García Lorca in his famous 1933 lecture, "Play and Theory of the Duende". Lorca described duende as a mysterious, dark power or spirit that possesses a musician, dancer, or poet—bringing an authentic, almost haunting emotional intensity that instantly connects the performer, the music, and the audience in a rare, shared experience. [1, 2, 3]The British poet Robert Graves (who famously lived in Mallorca, Spain) became highly fascinated by Lorca's theories. In 1965, while serving as the Oxford Professor of Poetry, Graves dedicated his very first lecture explicitly to "Duende". His talks and essays on poetry, inspiration, and the supernatural were later widely published in various prose collections. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The witty exchange you recalled from the panel likely highlights the mystical, synchronistic nature of duende. When Graves began explaining how this uncanny, magical presence takes over a room and guides the artistic experience, a fellow panelist cleverly leaned into the magic of the moment by asking, "How did you know we would get here?"—treating their own sudden conversational arrival at such a profound topic as proof of the duende working through the panel itself.
🎶I knew this...both that's there, duende, and synchronicity...from playing in band and orchestra, summer music camp in Idyllwild...aand, those thatss became a lens...I've gathered lots of lenses since...like a carpenter with tools...router bits...brings a tear Google AI could dig that up!...tearing is a lens...Graves fostered a matriarchal magical fandom...as his being a lens, he's behind his fans...the scholars that say what is so now...that obscures things...just like he said, the Patriarchy "takesover"...Padres 2-Brewers 1...hmmph...top of seventh...started 2pm Eastern Time...a lens can be put atop another lens...matriarchy over shibboleths over riddles over passwords over customs over memories over minestrone soup over Language Creatures...I've become an optomotrist with his apparatus!...yet, phycisits do that, look at one thing with different lenses...what did Robert Graves mean seeing things in different colors?
🧐lenses...what did Robert Graves mean seeing things in different colors?
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For Graves, human life—and poetry specifically—revolves around central, archetypal ordeals (such as the ecstasy and agony of romantic love, trauma, and mortality). You do not escape these patterns; instead, you revisit them. Each time the pattern repeats, it is filtered through a new "color"—a new muse, a different stage of life, or a shifting emotional landscape—which refines your understanding of the exact same truth. [1, 2]
How "Lenses" and "Colors" Connect to His Work
While Graves did not write a widely known poem titled Lenses, the concept of lenses and altered vision is central to his most famous poetic philosophies:
The Muse and the Moon: In the same discussion, Graves noted that "love poems must be bounced back off a moon. Moons vary. Love a different Muse-woman and you get a different poem." The muse acts as a lens. Changing the lens (the woman or the relationship) changes the "color" and tint of the light bouncing back, completely altering the poem even though the underlying subject (love) remains identical.
"In Broken Images": This core idea ties directly into his famous poem In Broken Images, which contrasts someone who sees the world through a single, clear lens versus someone who sees it through broken, fragmented images. Graves argues that the person who relies on a single, clear, unchanging view becomes dull and confused when reality fails them. True sharp understanding comes from mistrusting easy clarity and accepting that our perception is constantly fragmented and recolored by our senses. [1, 2, 3]
Ultimately, seeing things in "different colors" was Graves’s rejection of flat, analytical logic. He believed that to truly understand the human condition, you must be willing to look at the same ancient truths through ever-shifting emotional and spiritual filters. [1, 2]
🎶AI scholars' take...lol...close enough...phone charged up...see if power back on at home...bbk...bk...nope...all is lost in the refrigerator
Power dissappeared.
In the refrigerator
Everything is lost.
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🎶Braves at Dodgers on the radio...Braves 1-Dodgers 0...Freeman up...hit...Teo up...K...Tucker up...router bits make borders...found Petrie's book about Egyptian borders...the feed dropped a chart of hieroglyphs, each named...a little coil, named "rope"...wait...that's the Horus Eye coil...the coil poking up from the crown...this a mystery, but here labled simply rope...which makes a sense different than a butterfly's probiscus!...
✨️. Hieroglyphic Confusions (Bees and Crowns)
If you saw a coiled, tube-like extension attached to an insect or figure in a true hieroglyph, it is likely one of two things:The Royal Bee Glyph (𓆃): The bee sign (bity) is one of the most prominent insects in Egyptian writing, representing Lower Egypt in the pharaoh's royal title. It features long, curved antennae and a feeding organ that can easily be misidentified as a butterfly's proboscis. [1]
The Red Crown Spiral (Curly-Cue): The Red Crown of Lower Egypt (Deshret, 𓋔) features a long, coiled wire extending from the back called a fret. When appearing in art or on the heads of protective deities, this spiral shape strongly resembles the tightly coiled resting state of a butterfly’s proboscis. [1]
🎶"called a fret"...being as I'm step fret happy from pre-columbian American, one can see I would dwell on the Deshret Red Crown spiral, coil, fret...
✨️called a fret"...being as I'm step fret happy from pre-columbian American, one can see I would dwell on the Deshret Red Crown spiral, coil, fret
It sounds like you are exploring the fascinating intersection of ancient geometric motifs!The step fret (often called the xicalcoliuhqui in Mesoamerica) is one of the most iconic symbols of pre-Columbian America, representing everything from waves and clouds to cyclical life and political authority. It is easy to see how your mind jumped from that sharp, architectural spiral to the Deshret—the Red Crown of Lower Egypt—which features its own striking, stylized curly wire (the khabet) or spiral coil.
While separated by oceans and millennia, both cultures independently arrived at the spiral and the fret as ultimate symbols of cosmic order, water, fertility, and elite power.
If you want to dive deeper into this visual connection, I can help you explore:
The symbolic meanings behind the Deshret's spiral vs. the Mesoamerican step fret.
Whether there are any architectural examples where these two specific styles closely mirror each other.
Other ancient cultures that used the coiled spiral as a primary royal or religious motif.
How would you like to direct your focus?
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The Deshret's Spiral (Khabet): The Tendril of the Delta
The Deshret (Red Crown) features a low, bowl-like seat with a soaring back spike and a forward-projecting, stylized wire curl known as the khabet. [1, 2]
| | /‾‾‾\ | | | <-- Khabet (Spiral) | \___/ | / |____/ [Deshret Base]
• The Royal Proboscis: Textual and visual evidence indicates that the Deshret was originally woven from marsh plants, reeds, or palm fibers native to the northern Nile Delta. The khabet is widely understood to represent the proboscis of a honeybee. In ancient Egypt, the bee was the ultimate heraldic symbol of Lower Egypt (the king's title for Lower Egypt was Bity, "He of the Bee"). [1, 2]The Vegetation Tendril: Alternative interpretations view the spiral as a tightly coiled plant tendril—representing the untamed, primordial green thickets of the Delta marshes over which the king held domain.The Uraeus Connection: In later Dynastic iconography, the curl functions symbiotically with the uraeus (cobra). It channels the protective, coiled energy of the goddess Wadjet, striking outward to defend the Pharaoh from cosmic chaos (isfet). [1, 2, 3]
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The Mesoamerican Step Fret (Xicalcoliuhqui): The Primordial Serpent
In contrast, the Xicalcoliuhqui (literally "twisted gourd" in Nahuatl) is a continuous geometric meander where sharp, terraced steps merge into a fluid hook or square coil. [1, 2]
____ | __| <-- Spiral Hook | |____ |____ | | | <-- Stepped Fret |_|
• The Tectonic Serpent & Quetzalcoatl: Unlike the thin plant wire of the khabet, the xicalcoliuhqui is structural and solid. It is fundamentally an abstraction of the Sky-Serpent or Plumed Serpent (Quetzalcoatl/Kukulkan). The stepped portion mimics the scales, stylized lightning, or architectural pyramids, while the scroll mimics the undulating, coiled tail of the snake. [1, 2, 3, 4]The Duality of Space: In Mixtec, Zapotec, and Aztec worldviews, the step fret embodies the ultimate law of duality. As seen in the intricate stone mosaic panels at Mitla, the pattern locks together positive and negative space. It represents the balance between the visible earthly realm (the heavy steps) and the invisible spiritual matrix (the curling vortex). [1, 2, 3]Water and Wind Dynamics: The spiral of the xicalcoliuhqui is often identified with a sliced conch shell (ehecacozcatl), the emblem of the wind god. It represents localized kinetic energy: whirlpools, hurricanes, billowing storm clouds, and the cyclical transition of water through its earth-sky phases. [1, 2, 3]
Would you like to focus on a specific building, such as the Palace of the Columns at Mitla, or explore how Egyptian tomb ceiling matrices utilized interlocking scrolls to map out the night sky?
✨️The coiled spiral serves as an cross-cultural emblem of ultimate cosmic authority, cyclical rebirth, and elite lineage. Just as the khabet wires of Egypt and the xicalcoliuhqui of Mesoamerica channeled these principles, several other ancient civilizations elevated the coiled spiral to a primary royal or religious status symbol.
1. Minoan Crete: The Fluidity of Marine and Palatial Power
The Minoans used the running spiral as a defining feature of their palatial architecture. In Minoan religion, the spiral represented the active, turning energy of the cosmos and the sea, deeply tied to their maritime empire (thalassocracy). [1]
• Elite Application: Frescoes across the palaces of Knossos and Akrotiri featured rows of linked, wave-like spirals to frame sacred spaces and religious processions.Funerary Context: Wealthy Minoan elites were buried with gold discs and jewelry stamped with tight, geometric wire coils, signifying elite status and an untamed natural life force.
2. Pre-Celtic and Celtic Western Europe: Solar Radiance and Sovereignty
Long before the Celts arrived, the builders of Neolithic passage tombs like Newgrange in Ireland carved massive triple spirals (triskeles) into sacred threshold stones. By the European Iron Age, the Celts adopted and evolved this motif into the stylized La Tène art style. [1, 2, 3]
• Royal Equipment: Spirals became paramount on warrior aristocracy equipment. Elite chieftains wore heavy bronze or gold neck torcs that terminated in large, tightly wound metal wire coils to visually project divine lineage and sacred protection. [1]Religious Meaning: The spirals represented the eternal rotation of the sun and the cyclical nature of time, life, death, and political rebirth. [1, 2]
3. Pre-Columbian South America: The Divine Currents of the Andes
Beyond the Mesoamerican step fret, South American civilizations like the Muisca, Tairona, and Quimbaya of ancient Colombia elevated the coiled spiral into the highest tiers of sacred metallurgy. [1]
• Sovereign Regalia: Shaman-kings wore magnificent gold alloy chest plates (tunjos) and nose ornaments dominated by heavy, mirrored double-coiled spirals. Because gold was viewed as the sweat of the sun, these golden spirals literally broadcasted the ruler's cosmic power.Religious Meaning: In Andean cosmology, these tight, coiled wires represented the flow of primordial water, sacred energy currents, and the shaman’s ability to spiral out of the physical body into the spirit world. [1]
4. Ancient Scandinavia: The Nordic Bronze Age Sun Chariots
During the Nordic Bronze Age, the spiral was the absolute supreme symbol of the Sun Goddess (such as Sól). [1]
• Royal Artifacts: The elite displayed their status through massive bronze sun discs—most famously exemplified by the Trundholm Sun Chariot—which were completely covered in interconnected, meticulously chased coiled spiral motifs.Religious Meaning: Rulers and priests used these spirals to map out the cosmic order. Each coil represented a stylized sun ray or the cyclical journey of the light through the underworld and back to the heavens. [1]
Would you like to focus on one of these specific cultures to look at the exact archaeological artifacts, or would you prefer to see how the Mycenaeans adopted the Minoan spiral to turn it into a rigid monument of military dominance?
Context and Meaning
Symbolism of the Sea: Inherited and adapted from the earlier Minoan civilization, the interconnected or running spiral motif (Speira) fundamentally represents the continuous rhythm of life, water currents, and the rolling waves of the sea. When wrapped across the hull or surrounding depictions of vessels, it reinforces the connection to maritime dominance and naval power. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The "Running Spiral": This design features a continuous series of evenly spaced circular nuclei linked together by sweeping tangential arms. On pottery and palace wall frescoes, it creates a visual sense of fluid, ongoing motion—imitating a ship traveling across ocean swells. [1, 2]
Archaeological Evidence
Depictions of decorated Mycenaean ships appear across two primary mediums:
Pictorial Pottery: Ships are frequently painted on Late Helladic storage jars, kraters, and pithoi. Artists often used the running spiral as a decorative border directly above or below the ship, or incorporated stylized, curling marine elements (like argonaut or octopus tentacles) that morph into spiral coils framing the vessel. [1, 2, 3]
Palace Frescoes: Elite Mycenaean maritime imagery is best preserved in structural wall art. Fragmentary frescoes discovered at the Palace of Pylos (specifically Room 64) and the Palace of Tiryns depict grand processions of Mycenaean warships. These naval fleets are rendered with elaborate hull ornamentations, matching geometric accents, and stylized aquatic motifs like running S-spirals and papyrus flowers along the surrounding friezes. [1, 2]
Would you like to explore specific artifacts showcasing this motif, or learn more about how Mycenaean ship designs eventually influenced Late Bronze Age warship construction?
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The Settlement: During the Bronze Age, it was a thriving Minoan seaport town spanning 15–20 acres. Excavations have revealed a tight-knit community of over 60 multi-story stone buildings grouped around a main town square (plateia) and accessed via a grand staircase. [1, 2, 3]
The Economy: Lacking rich agricultural land, Pseira specialized as a trading hub and manufacturing site for high-end stone vases made from local serpentine rock. [1, 2]
The Shipwreck: Archaeologists discovered a physical Minoan trading ship off its coast that sank between 1725 and 1675 BC, carrying over 200 ceramic jars meant for exchanging goods. [1]
Comparing the Minoan stone vases of Pseira to the legendary ancient Egyptian stone vasesreveals a fascinating story of cross-cultural inspiration, material differences, and distinct artistic philosophies.
While Minoan Crete undeniably learned the foundational art of stone-cutting from Egypt during the Early Bronze Age, the craft evolved in vastly different directions on the islet of Pseira. [1, 2, 3]
1. Material World: Soft vs. Hard Stone
The Pseira Palette: The Minoan craftspeople on Pseira primarily utilized soft stones (mostly under Mohs hardness 6). Their primary local material was mottled grey/blue serpentine, alongside strikingly colorful, imported local stones like red and black marble breccia, limestone, and banded travertine. [1, 2, 3]
The Egyptian Titan: Egypt was renowned for conquering exceptionally hard, heterogeneous igneous stones. While they used plenty of soft travertine (Egyptian alabaster), the famous "precision" vessels that dominate historical discussions are made of brutal materials like granite, diorite, porphyry, and basalt. [1, 2, 3]
2. Aesthetic Intention: Organic Texture vs. Geometric Geometry
Pseira’s Painters in Stone: Minoan artisans chose stones for their visual texture. They strategically carved veined breccia and banded marble so the natural lines of the rock mimicked the fluid patterns found on Minoan pottery (and later, their marine-style frescoes). The shapes were organic and dynamic, including spouted jars, bird’s nest bowls, and elongated ritual rhyta. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Egypt’s Mathematical Focus: Egyptian stone vessels—particularly those from the Predynastic and Early Dynastic eras found in massive quantities under the Step Pyramid of Djoser—prioritize strict mathematical symmetry and geometry. Rather than letting the stone's pattern dictate the vibe, Egyptian vessels display crisp, perfect profiles, flat lips, and uniform wall thicknesses. [1, 2, 3, 4]
3. Engineering and "Precision"
The Pseira Method: Excavations at the Plateia House on Pseira show that the Minoans utilized hand-worked abrasive drilling. They used hollow reeds or copper tube drills driven by bows, using sand or Naxos emery as an abrasive. They achieved incredible delicacy—some walls are as thin as a china teacup—but the vessels retain the charming, organic irregularities of manual craftsmanship. [1, 2, 3, 4]
The Egyptian Metrology Debate: In recent years, Egyptian hard-stone vases have been the subject of intensive metrological studies using structured light and CT scans. The data reveals that many authentic museum-provenanced vessels match manual, pre-industrial labor using primitive tools and quartz sand. However, a subset of unprovenanced or highly celebrated vessels exhibit mathematical design properties and concentric precision down to thousandths of an inch, fueling intense debate between mainstream archaeologists (who emphasize patience and master craft) and alternative history researchers. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
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