OTI:notes:4/30/19

Open To Interpretation

Crowns

Notes: Game on...on the radio...Blue Jays and Angels...bottom of first...no scoring yet...Angels up...by happenstance, while watching a clip about the Temples in Jerusalem, an image of the Moslem Dome of the Rock flashed by, and, I thought, wait!...brb...well...I cant find a close up pic..but around the dome is a decoration, a chacana like decoration, much like the motifs at Saint Catheryn's Monastery...Vlad Jr. strikes out for the Jays...Angels made out...

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Its architecture and mosaics were patterned after nearby Byzantine churches and palaces.<sup>[

from wiki's take</sup>

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Pujols up...well, hooey, I'm wanting to relate the stepping stones to finding a really cool side by side...but I'm thinking just doing the side by side, if one has in mind what has gone before in the previous posts, one can see how cool this 'match cut' is!...the Dome was built while Islam, at its start, was at war with the Sasanians...an empire called Neo-Persian as it covered the same area as the old Persian Empire...I had never heard of it...it's in that gap between Alexander the Great and the advent of the Islamic Empire...basically, it was Iran...brb

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https://www.si.edu/sisearch/collection-images?page=1&edan_q=sasanian

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Pre-Columbian, North Coast Peru, Moche, Phase I, ca. 100 to 200 CE. A figural stirrup vessel in the form of a male warrior. The warrior is kneeling and wears a simple tunic with a rectangular central panel, a cream-hued loin cloth, and enormous ear spools. He holds a circular shield with an incised curvilinear decoration in his left hand, and rests the conical head of a large club on his right knee. Large almond-shaped eyes, a prominent nose, thin lips, and smooth cheeks comprise the minimalist visage, and a tumi-adorned headdress with a pair of stepped projections caps his head. The highly-burnished figure is covered in vibrant red and cream-hued details, and a parabolic handle and cylindrical spout protrude from the verso. Size: 4.125" W x 7.125" H (10.5 cm x 18.1 cm).

https://www.bidsquare.com/online-auctions/artemis-gallery/moche-pottery-stirrup-vessel---kneeling-warrior-1281535

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the Sasanian Kings minted coins, so each one's crown is recorded...many variations, but most have the step motif....for sometime the why of that...a few have the crescent moon...

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Taq-e Bostan, from the Sassanid Empire of Persia (pre-Islamic era). Note the crescent above the arch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent#History

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I don't know if the Andeans' fan on the headdresses represents the Moon as crescent...back away was noted the crescents on the model Moche houses...and too they have the fan motif...oh, I could do a monograph side by side!...and there are a lot of Andean headdresses with the two step motifs tilted on either side, just like on the house models...and in between them the fan motif...or crescent...game a pitchers' duel...lots of Ks by both sides...Trout up...first base open...a walk in the offing...a whimsical wonder I had before because of the step motifs/crowsteps at Petra/Saleh was how in the world Persians could have gotten to Peru?...the motif did...I mean, how could it happen in both places the motif became an emblem on crowns!...all I can think of is battlements, (GOT has short crowsteps on Winterfell)......and forts in the Arabian desert have crowstep battlements, as does Persepolis, and the Ishtar Gate...this look may happen building walls and battlements with mud bricks...so, mud bricks used by the Andeans too...and a fort becomes a crown...European crowns sometimes have the look of European castles...the simple square crenellation....oh, Angels threatened, but made out...must be like fourth inning...

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hmmmph...more on these crowns for sometime...bbk with game report...Vlad Jr. up...he's just 20...wild pitch run comes in...Jays 1-0...and a phenom like Ohtani...hits long long home runs...like his third game after coming up from minors...ground out....back...was gone a bit....found the pic that was in my head when looking at the Sasanians....it was at the war gamer's page...see yesterday's post...they have thread about the Sasanians and Parthians too!...go figure...

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https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/topic/24171-new-civilization-proposal-moche-or-mochica-culture/

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game tied up...top of eighth...Angels 3-3...Goodwin waps a home run, bottom of eighth...Angels 4-3...Goodwin leading Angles for the season in offense...Vlady Jr. walked...then...a DP...one out to go top of ninth...



The Pahlavi Crown is part of the Iranian Crown Jewels which was crafted for the coronation of Reza Shah on 25th April 1926. The design of the crown was made in the fashion of the Sassanid Dynasty that ruled in Iran between the 3^rd and 7^th centuries AD.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/02/26/the-pahlavi-crown-was-crafted-for-the-coronation-of-reza-shah-pahlavi-and-is-part-of-the-iranian-crown-jewels/

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K...Angels come away with a victory...Angels 4-3...five MLB game tonight ended up 4-3!...

:)

DavidDavid

OTI:notes:4/28/19

Open To Interpretation

Illustrators

Notes:  Game on...on the radio...Angels and Royals...bottom of sixth...Angels 4-1...found the 'road' that ends at the ocean, looking out to the sunset track...see previous post...an illustration...

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Geoglyphs that modified the landscape are still visible, delineating a path to where the sun sets on the summer solstice.

http://theconversation.com/feasting-rituals-and-the-cooperation-they-require-are-a-crucial-step-toward-human-civilization-99171

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Royals made out....to top of seventh...Illustrators do a really cool thing...they work like the ancients did, more as artisans than artists....for sometime that difference!...this to say, they try to stay faithful to what the archaeologists have found...so an exactness...kind of like the illustrations on the boxes of plastic ship models, and such...every detail is sourced...having said that, one wonders if Diego Rivera, the artist, turned artisan, and kept to the archaeological record in his murals...but in this painting of El Tajin he is exact with the step frets going up on either side of the stair case!

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https://www.bluffton.edu/homepages/facstaff/sullivanm/mexico/mexicocity/rivera/totonac.html

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I've given the step fret a bit of an emphasis!...viewers commonly I imagine see it as a decoration...El Tajin is in Mexico...Bour hits into DP...

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http://www.jamesgurney.com/moche.html

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two posts back, I went on about the canopy...here it is illustrated, maybe true to what it was...seems more likely to me the poles were more robust, and the roof a woven mat...but, I dunno...the other motifs are in the ballpark...

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Sacrifice for the Moon God by coricancha

https://www.deviantart.com/coricancha/art/Sacrifice-for-the-Moon-God-457624878

 

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another take on the canopy...and the motifs...motifs to include the activities...Trout up...Calhoun on first, I think...and, a DP...Angels make out...to bottom of eighth...Angels 4-2...top of ninth...rain falling...and, and as I've noted before, gamers are the best illustrators!...was looking, and found a page...

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https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/topic/24171-new-civilization-proposal-moche-or-mochica-culture/

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that illustration is the badminton like game...which has been re-created from Moche illustrations on their pottery, who were faithful in their depiction of it...in previous post...which is what they do with everything...they are exact as the gamers!...which has given archaeologist clues to what they have been digging up...note the chacanas, the step motifs, on the tunic in foreground...just like the ones on entry at  Saint Catheryn's Monastery, Sinai, Egypt..that post about four or five back...a long reach of course, but there it is to see...illustration page a must see and read...it's a comment thread like a comment thread can be!...oh...Bour hit a three run home run...Angels 7-2, or some such...Bour can poke his nose out of the dog house, a bit...Royals up bottom of ninth...lead off hit...it is raining too much...like asking Royals to roll over...bloop hit...figure left back has step frets on skirt...many of the 'usual' motifs are here and there...and the canopy is in top right corner...two out...down to last strike...passed ball...runner coming home called out...obvious obstruction...and...on the appeal...yep...safe...Angels 7-3...oh...batter continues with 3-2 count...oh, Angels lost yesterday, won the day before...neglected updates...W...runners at the corners...1-1...1-2...2-2...ground out...that wraps it up...put a halo over this one!

:)

DavidDavid

 

 

 

OTI:notes:4/27/19

Open To Interpretation

I believe in Philosophy.

Hypatia in moiveAgora

Giant Sundials

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‘Circa primam ferme noctis vigiliam experrectus pavore subito, video praemicantis lunae candore nimio completum orbem commodum marinis emergentem fluctibus; nanctusque opacae noctis silentiosa secreta, certus etiam summatem deam praecipua maiestate pollere resque prorsus humanas ipsius regi providentia, nec tantum pecuina et ferina, verum inanima etiam divino eius luminis numinisque nutu vegetari, ipsa etiam corpora terra caelo marique nunc incrementis consequenter augeri, nunc detrimentis obsequenter imminui, fato scilicet iam meis tot tantisque cladibus satiato et spem salutis, licet tardam, subministrante, augustum specimen deae praesentis statui deprecari; confestimque discussa pigra quiete alacer exsurgo meque protinus purificandi studio marino lavacro trado septiesque summerso fluctibus capite, quod eum numerum praecipue religionibus aptissimum divinus ille Pythagoras prodidit, [laetus et alacer] deam praepotentem lacrimoso vultu sic adprecabar:

Apuleius
The Golden Ass

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Notes:  Game on...on the radio...to top of third...Angels 1 Royals 1...Angels made out...to bottom of third...no...I can't read Latin...but translated, I think,  that bit has a bit about the Moon reflecting on the ocean at night--the white track...thought of that reading this bit:

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Hierophany: The Tinkuy as Light-Water Encounter in a Ritual Landscape

The meaning of “tinkuy” as a ritual catalytic encounter mediated through the transformational nature of water that included decapitation, sexual rites, ritual battle, shamanic flight, and light-water rites in a ritual landscape as described below invites the suggestion of an overarching  structural and functional idea that points back to the premise of the water cycle itself, which at minimum included the perceived movement of the Milky Way and the ecliptic path of the sun.

https://thetinkuy.wordpress.com/the-tinkuy-as-ritual-encounter-with-water/

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latin...lol...Royals on a scoring rampage...Bour has moments...dogged a grounder...gave up on it thinking second baseman's play, and went to cover first...Devereaux has moments...that's actually a pretty good very long sentence, and one can see that if one is familiar with the lore she's trying to cram into it...oh...I watched movieAgora last night...it's about giant sundials, sorta...a motif in the movie is an Oculus in the round roof of the Library of Alexandria...a whimsy in the movie is that Hypatia is on the verge of discovering the Earth goes around the Sun...philosophical discussion about this plays out against warfare in the city between religious factions--none get off lightly, which might explain why the movie is obscure...that, and it kind of clinks with the directors metaphysics...Metaphysicians, and Philosophers, often want their thoughts writ large, and display grand schemes and notions!...Royals' inning just keeps going and going...seven hits so far...

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Urton (Fig. 2) showed that the ecliptic wasn’t necessary to form the celestial Kan cross as the Maya have it; the movement of the Milky Way alone was enough to account for it. This is represented by the association in the image to left of the Milky Way checkerboard and the Rotator that can spin in either a sinestral or anti-sunwise direction (see Rotator). The Rotators, then, were a visual clue to the location and movement of the Milky Way and, hence, the wet or dry season.

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I've come to calling captions like this 'match cut' captions...the checkerboard pattern match cuts to the Milky Way; the what I've seen captioned as a starfish (actually it looks very much like a brittle star!) becomes the ''Rotator"...Rotator in blue so it has its own page...and so it goes...the wet and dry season brought in...putting different things side by side makes a connection between the two...match cuts a favorite movie stunt,  often done for comedic effect...wiki's example is from movie2001, the ape throws a bone in the air and it match cuts, morphs, into an orbiting space station...no caption explains this...just the images...and the thought above is that all the motifs side by side are match cutting...match cuts can be emotionally startling...remember monster movies as a kid...everything is normal, then, boom, the monster jumps out...there's no telling what the Moche/Andeans realized contemplating their pottery motif art...decapitation made them jump a bit I imagine!...it's not like I'm superior, or inferior, to match cutters in my presentations...I use them too...I've been calling them stepping stones, or some such...here's one I found reaching for 'giant sundials'...

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This report argues that the all-important tinkuy was conceived of in another way that is consistent with triadic cosmology on the two solstices when the Milky Way was the night-time Zenith, and twice a year midway between those events when the noon-time sun was the daytime Zenith.
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Another impressive tinkuy was found at Moro de Eten in the Lambayeque Valley in northern Peru c. 400-200 BCE. There, an ancient road passed by a pyramid and led to a cliff overlooking the sea. During most of the year, “the road seems purposeless, but at the December solstice the light of the setting sun, reflecting on the water, makes a brilliant golden extension of the road into the Pacific to the western horizon” (Kelley and Milone, 2011:441).

https://thetinkuy.wordpress.com/the-tinkuy-as-ritual-encounter-with-water/

hmmmph...

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How Apuleius by Roses and prayer returned to his humane shape.
   
When midnight came that I had slept my first sleepe, I awaked with suddaine feare, and saw the Moone shining bright, as when shee is at the full, and seeming as though she leaped out of the Sea.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1666/1666-h/1666-h.htm#link2H_4_0061

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Trout's up...bases loaded...reliever brought in to face him...Royals 7-3...smart thing would be to walk him...one run wont hurt Royals...2-0...3-0...now, if only Ohtani was behind Trout!...W...Bour up...sheesh...one in a jillion he gets a hit, or a home run...0-1...1-1...1-2...2-2...waved and misses and that is how the inning will end...Royals 7-4...bbk...

:)

DavidDavid

OTI:notes:4/26/19

Open To Interpretation

Notes:  Game on...on the radio...Angels and Royals...Pujols wapped a first inning home run scoring Fletcher who had a lead off hit...Angels 2-0...Fletch up again bottom of second...one out...Fletch drove in five runs last night in the Angels victory over the Yankees, Angels 11-5...ground out...to bottom of second...so, so, a delay on the Giant Sundials, yesterday's post's tail...I found something messing about some more looking for stuff about the Pyramid Apron...that too delayed...what I found is on the Narmer Mace Head...I got to it wondering about the Sandal Bearer on the Narmer Pallette...the Sandal Bearer carries a pot...suspect because it resembles the Mystereons' handbag seen on the Sumer reliefs!...under such suspicion of late I've cast all the stirrup vessels of the Andeans!...oh...when I discovered that the stirrup vessels whistle...some magic the Andeans did by filling these pots partly with water...for sometime this...when I discovered the whistling, the bathroom faucet began whistling...the cold side...I'd shut it off, and then it would creep open a little bit, dripping, and then it would whistle!...an annoying high pitch...shortage of funds has delayed a fix...for months...but today, after a night of all night whistling, I went on the attack, and did the fix...got lucky...just needed a rubber washer...for another time, when the whole bathroom gets a re-do, I'll change out the faucet...anyway, I digress...yes...it's a bit haunted hereabout!...so, the Narmer Mace has this scene...Trout up top of third...he'll walk, odds say...nope...high fly out...

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Narmer Macehead (drawing). The design shows captives being presented to Pharaoh Narmer enthroned in a naos.^[1] The scene depicts a ceremony in which captives and plunder are presented to King Narmer, who is enthroned beneath a canopy on a stepped platform. He wears the Red Crown of Lower Egypt, holds a flail, and is wrapped in a long cloak. To the left, Narmer's name is written inside a representation of the palace facade (the serekh) surmounted by a falcon. At the bottom is a record of animal and human plunder; 400,000 cattle, 1,422,000 goats, and 120,000 captives. Ashmolean Museum

On the left side of this macehead is a king sitting under a canopy on a dais; he is wearing the Red Crown (deshret) and is covered in a long cloth or cloak. The king is holding a flail and above the canopy a vulture, possibly the local goddess Nekhbet, hovers with spread wings. Nekhen, or Hierakonpolis, was one of four power centers in Upper Egypt that preceded the consolidation of Upper Egypt at the end of the Naqada III period.^[6] Hierakonpolis’s religious importance continued long after its political role had declined.^[7] Directly in front of the king is another dais, or possibly litter, on which a cloaked figure sits facing him. This figure has been interpreted as a princess being presented to the king for marriage, the king's child or a deity.^[4] The dais is covered by a bow-like structure and behind it are three registers. In the center register, attendants are walking or running behind the dais. In the top register, an enclosure, with what seems like a cow and a calf, might symbolise the nome of Theb-ka, or the goddess Hathor and her son Horus, deities associated with kingship since earliest times. Behind the enclosure, four standard-bearers approach the throne. In the bottom register, in front of the fan-bearers, are a collection of offerings.^{[citation needed]}
On the center part of the macehead, behind the throne with the seated king, there is a figure just like the supposed sandal-bearer from the Narmer palette, likewise with the rosette sign above its head. He is followed by a man carrying a long pole. Above him three men are walking, two of them also carrying long poles. The serekh displaying the signs for Narmer can be seen above these men.
The top field to the right of the center field shows a building, perhaps a shrine, with a heron perched on its roof. Below this, an enclosure shows three animals, probably antelopes. This has been suggested as signifying the ancient town of Buto, the place where the events described on the macehead might have taken place.

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narmer_Macehead}

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wiki's take is confusing...

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https://www.narmer.org/inscription/0080

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a more complete page!...so, so, why my enthusiasm?...it's the canopy...I've intended to go on about canopies...noting a similarity between Andean canopies, and Sumer and Egyptian canopies...but it's a long reach...but, but this one on the Namer Mace shortens the reach!...lol...brb...

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from my April 3 post, The Checkerboard House

https://treeinthedoorvideo.blogspot.com/2019/04/otinotes4419.html

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it takes a lot of words to describe what all is going on with the motifs!...in that earlier post I was curious about the step frets in the vase...in this post I'm curious about the canopy!...the one on the Narmer palette looks just like it!...both likely made the same way...small trees cut off just above where two branches spread make the supporting poles, the fork they make a place to put the cross beams...a kind of lean to a survivalist would make...or stone age folk...I dunno...whimsies...the Moche ritual scenes are full of these little canopies...

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https://www.doaks.org/resources/online-exhibits/capturing-warfare/moche-depictions-of-warfare

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I've seen a bit showing the construction of one of the Moche canopies...sorta...noted it with bookmark somewhere...I share sites to my tablets memo pad now...rather than the old laptops favorites list...and I can expand the tablet's memory, a need to do soon...quite a tool for a hundred bucks, if one doesn't consider the monthly internet/phone charges!...and as a side by side, the Narmer canopy with the Andeans', it says plainly a lot...and even more if one considers other things...like the scene...both offering scenes...the registers...both have registers...the figures in profile...both Egyptian and Moche figures show legs and faces in profile, while torsos are full frontal...just that way of depicting people is a big go figure!...side by sides between ancient cultures are easy to do...take earings...everyone wears earrings!...is that enough to make a connection!...proof of diffusion!...well, no, of course not...but then one adds, what about ear spools and stretched ears?!...I don't know of old world examples, but plenty of Mesoamerican and Andean examples...so, an acquiesce...diffusion between Mesoamericans and Andeans okay...but, but what about the ear lobes of Easter Islanders?...and wait, thousands and thousands of Buddha statues have long ears too!...an Old World motif I hadn't remembered...there's a parable wonder story to Buddha's...so, so, the discussion goes back and forth...oh...Trout scores on Simmon's double...Angels 3-0...Pujols up...0-2...for sometime more on the canopies!...time for a foray...a snack with a tv to watch the Angels...bbk with report of game...oh...wait...what the heck is a Naos?...(noted in the wiki take while spell checking...)...brb...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_O18.png?495f6

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it just gets worse!...ral...

:)

DavidDavid

OTI:notes:4/25/19

Open To Interpretation

Chankillo

Notes: Game on...on the radio...Yankees and Angels...top of third...Yankees 2-1, I think (nope, Yankees 2-0, 4-0 during spell check!)...Angels scored first, but, that didn't last...lol...when I opened youtube this morning, the first algorithmically recommended site was going on about the Pyramid Apron of the ancient Egyptians...Ancient Architects channel...I went on about the pyramid aprons in the previous post!...brb...I left a comment:

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I've seen discussion of the pyramid on the apron...just posted a bit about it to my blog last night...go figure...related I think is the square throne Pharaoh sits on...a whimsy: the sun rays radiating from the corner represent the sun's shift from solstice to solstice on the horizon...in Peru there is a row of thirteen squat towers on a hillock that were used by Chancelly culture...from a central equinox center point aways off on either side, ancient astronomers would sight through the towers, marking the passage of the seasons on the horizon...at Tiwanaku, atop the much eroded pyramid like monument, it's thought a large chacana shaped reflecting pool was on top...the chacana is a cross made of checkerboard squares, and checkerboard motif thought to represent Milky Way...an astronomical tool?...a sundial I'd say...the cluster of pyramids on Giza too...Pylons are missing too from the paintings...and too they were oriented to sun rise on the horizon...I dont know if they were secritive...what oral tradition context there was to it all would certainly help...one thing for sure, they thought it important to reiterate the solstice/sunrise/sunset mystery for some practical reason...the Andeans and Mesoamericans too...isn't one of Horus' epithets "Horus on the Horizon?"☺

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPoRSFatagU

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like I said, I've come to nearly making blog posts in the comment sections!...comment threads are suspect...full of trolls, sock puppets, shills, and what look to be robotic posts...social media posts in general are a tangle of misaligned purposes...some misaligned purposefully!...so, a post to a comment thread is kind of a piss in the wind...a wan hope, a pearl before swine...basically, talking to oneself...in defense of commentators, just the sheer volume of posts in a thread precludes any productive back and forth talk!...but, on occasion in the threads I get a reply...and the reply has a lead...a clue to follow on my thought...like there with the Pyramid Apron...clip has examples and speculations and seeing them bumped my imagination...I dunno...maybe the scribed lines from the corners are solstice related...brb...

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Evidence of this article of clothing has been found in Nubia (one of Ancient Egypt's influences), but not in Egypt herself. Despite this, during the Middle and New Kingdoms, depictions in Egyptian art often showed men wearing skirts with large triangular aprons. However, this is very weak evidence of their use in Egypt. It is difficult to distinguish if these depictions actually show people wearing an apron or, if not, some other type of clothing that was part of the construction of a skirt. The above picture may show men wearing separate aprons or a wrapped skirt that was fashion to look this way.



http://egyptologypage.tripod.com/fashion.html#Aprons

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found that quote just browsing for example of apron...and quote has a lead...that bit about it being found in Nubia, but not in Egypt...sorta...clearly it is found in Egypt, but it may have been a unique fashion lifted from Nubia...I saw the King Tut guard statue at the Science Museum show in LA...every bit of an Egyptian painting/costume is  a motif, and each motif like a word...and everyone wore these motifs...native costumes all over the world were once covered with motifs...that had meaning just like a word...one was like a walking advertisement brands covered race car driver, or some such!...ral...anyway, where's the game...Angels in the cellar...strike'm out throw'm out...Trout erased at second on the throw...two gone bottom of third?...Simmons up...stretched a hit into a double...and, and last night after posting, I found another follow on to that post!...fly out...Yankees 2-0?...sixth?...I've totally lost track of game...anyway, I found this:  Chankillo, which, forgot for a moment, I went on about in comment above, misspelled Chancilly, or some sort...close enough for google search...lol...often google finds something even if one misspells it...back to back singles for Yankees...oh...wait...

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In another example, West says, "The Royal Apron is characteristic of Egyptian art.  Schwaller De Lubicz carefully measured seventy two of these aprons--almost all of them within the covered Temple of Luxor--and found in every single case that the aprons were constructed according to precise mathematical considerations.  In each case, these proportions corresponded in some way to the mathematical relationships of the mural of which the royal personage was a part."

http://www.fromoffthebeatenpath.com/2010/03/egypt-16-luxor-temple-iii.html

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blog author is quoting Anthony West's Serpent in the Sky book...and I've remembered that bit about the aprons from reading that years ago...BW...before the web when there were just books and such!...anyway...more on the apron for sometime!...

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The ruins include the hilltop Chankillo fort, the nearby Thirteen Towers solar observatory, and residential and gathering areas. The Thirteen Towers have been interpreted as an astronomical observatory built in the 4th century BC.^[6][9] The culture that produced Chankillo is called the Casma/Sechin culture or the Sechin Complex.

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanquillo}

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Yankees 3-0...and, I'm hungry...time for a snack foray...more tomorrowmorrow about Chankillo, and the Giant Sundials!...game report too...

:)

DavidDavid

OTI:notes:4/24/19

Open To Interpretation

Notes:

Before And After

Notes:  Game on...on the radio...Yankees and Angels...Simmons just hit his second home run...Angels 2-0, I think...runners at corners, one away...well, that's a fit..."at the corners"...I'm trying to figure something out I stumbled on searching Saint Andrew's Cross (similar to 'crossed bands' Mayan motif/glyph)...what I found was a drawing of the chacana with the lines scribing the two solstices, winter and summer...woops...Calhoun hits a three run home run!!!...Angels 5-0...winter and summer, and they made a cross, a  sorta Saint Andrew's cross, when stretched between upper and lower corners of the chacana...oh...have to find that pic, which will be difficult!...first, let me get Deverauex's drawing that I posted a few posts back, without much of a caption...brb...

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https://thetinkuy.wordpress.com/figure-2-andean-dark-cloud-constellations/

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Oh!...I miss remembered...that's not the solstices, but rather the Milky Way....but, but, it does the same thing overhead as the sun's path does going from solstice to solstice...so, safe!...I think...lemeessee I can find the chacana...

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Everything started with an amazing discovery made by Maria Scholten, while this anthropologist was studying the Chavin Culture back in the 50’s, she found that pre-columbian cultures used an specific measure : 3.34 x 10 ^ n.

Maria Scholten called it "The American Unit". Rectangles were based in 7 and 8 units per side and the diagonal created by this shape had a very special signification by all means.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread884361/pg1

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I don't know what all that is!...but earlier I posted in previous post I thought the chacana might be a sundial...and here I see it layed out like a diagram for the sun to pass over from solstice to solstice...that could be done with the Milky Way, like the diagram above, I think, and the cross/Saint Andrews made, would be the same...thought to go to the store to get another protractor, don't know where one I have got to, and draw some experiments on graph paper...the curio is the angle in the chacana diagram...22.3 degrees ...I very much want it to be 23.5...that is about what the earth's tilt is, and why the sun's paths moves from solstice to solstice...I could suggest a lot with the idea of before and after, before the web, after the web...time was, somewhere back there, the ancients didn't know about the tilt, leastwise it didn't show up in their artistries...brb...to top of sixth...

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The discovery of precession usually is attributed to Hipparchus (190–120 BC) of Rhodes or Nicaea, a Greek astronomer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession#History

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well, that's iffy...understanding of the Zodiac goes back further than that, and understanding of the Zodiac depends on understanding of the precession...oh wait...

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The zodiac system was developed in Babylonia, some 2,500 years ago, during the "Age of Aries".^[57] At the time, it is assumed, the precession of the equinoxes was unknown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#History

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it's hard to picture...but the earth's tilt makes constellations slowly shift where they appear above the horizon...and it is a long cycle, like 24,000 years...one of the temples in Egypt has two alignments...it is so old that they had to change how it was oriented in order for the sun(?) to shine straight through to the inner sanctum...having the sun on the solstice shine through a corridor of some sort and shine on a specific spot is kind of an ancient's 'something'...that's one before and after the tilt manifests:...the zodiac...so, one can suggest a lot linking cultures with knowledge of the zodiac, and even more if one can track when they knew...but there is another before and after about the tilt...it causes the seasons...Milton goes on about it in Paradise Lost...for sometime the tilt!...how long before that the tilt was know to cause the seasons, I dunno...just experiencing the seasons one intuits it all, sorta...flat earthers have a real problem with it!!!...the thought is the ancients knew of the tilt, and encoded it in their monuments and artistries...which is really a sophisticated thing!...and I've often wondered how they found the angle 23.50...or even if they did...hmmph...I've diverted...but, sighting on the solstices, keeping a record of rising of the sun on the horizon...one can scribe a line reaching to each solstice from a mid point, the equinox, when the day is as long as it is short, and one ends up with the Saint Andrews cross...and I guess an angle from mid point to one solstice of 22.30...is that right!?...need an astronomer's counsel!...is there a precession of the Milky Way...well, that would be precession of the constellations...

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Like a top, Earth's rotational axis gyrates, with a period of 26,000 years. This motion is called precession, or "precession of the equinoxes". The Earth's spin causes it to be slightly flattened at the poles relative to the equator. ... Thus, precession affects the time of year in which various constellations are visible.Aug 23, 2012

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yes...there...the telling word is 'equinoxes'...that midpoint that creeps, shifts, on the horizon from one sign of the Zodiac to the next...

so, so, if one goes looking for this angle in ancient's artistries...last season, I mentioned for sometime to study all the angles in Egyptian art...one of the Mysteries is why there are no depictions of building or planning of the Great Pyramid...but, but, on the royal apron/loin cloth is often depicted a pyramid motif...I've seen this explained...but forget...related is the throne Pharaoh's sit on, which a square, with a smaller square, which the sacred geometers point to as an example of gnomonic growth...or some sort...brb...

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Aristotle, writing in about 350 BCE, noticed that certain things grow by adding units that are always the same shape, differing only in magnitude. Such shapes are called gnomons, and the study of "gnomonic growth" occupied a large part of Greek mathematics.

https://services.math.duke.edu/education/ccp/materials/mvcalc/equiang-alt/equi1.html


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thing of it is, Sumerian kings in the reliefs sit on the same square throne...and the thought is there is a before and after for depictions of square thrones like these!...on the Narmer Palette Pharoah is shown striking a kneeling enemy while holding his enemy's hair...kind of like holding a rabbit!...this image morphs into Pharaoh holding a bunch of enemies by their hair...and it appears with prominence in Egyptian art for like the next three thousand years...the Phoenicians adopted it, and it spread as far as Spain likely...and way down in the middle of Sudan, the Nubians built smallish pyramids with pylons, and the pylons have the same motif...somewhere, that motif started...it has a before and after, and even an after after...when it was no longer used!...Angels 5-4...runners at second and third...sacred geometers go on and on about the chacana...what did the Andeans see in it?...Angels 5-5...Trout makes a saving catch...and catch runner on second off base...double play!!!...

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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread884361/pg1

a big chacana...that site is confusing, and so full of ads!...to bottom of seventh...the Saint Andrews cross is a curio...there is a spider named after it...in fact, many spiders rest in their webs with legs splayed like the cross...which...makes for another curio...the threads of a spider web look like longitude and latitude on a globe/map...the spider's cross like the solstices and equinoxes discussed!...

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https://animalcorner.co.uk/animals/st-andrews-cross-spider/

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go figure!...lol...

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Everyone knows that the earth spins on its axis while it revolves around the sun. Most remember from grade 10 science class that the earth’s axis is not perfectly vertical, but rather tilted about 23.5 degrees. However, the axis is not always this way, as it slowly varies from about 24.5 degrees to 22.1 degrees, making a complete cycle every 41,000 years.

https://coolinterestingstuff.com/mysterious-alignment-of-ancient-sites-of-the-world

I've seen that before...that the tilt varies...so, 22.3 is in the ballpark, and my impression of the chacana may be right...it's a sundial that, like the spider!, can incorporate the precessions...there's two, I think...yearly precession of the sun, and that very long precession of the constellations/Milky Way...that site has the idea that about 12,000 years ago, the earth was upright, and then tilted over...I've looked into this...the coast of California, it's geology, doesn't indicate a shift...I'll have to look again...hmmph...and a related thought taken from looking at the location of major ancient monuments, which look to correspond to one another on a ring around the earth...the thought is that is where the old equator was, and the ancients built along the equator...years ago, and one of my first lookabouts on a search engine, the old MELVL for UC libraries, I tracked down the notion that the entire earth's crust can come loose from the magma layer beneath, and move...another way the tilt could be changed...another way is the swapping of magnetic poles...that is known to happen!...the crust thing happens on Venus, they think!...add to that, some  space rock could just collide with us and alter the tilt...but actually, the earth bulges a bit at the equator, and has about it a gyroscopes stability...but, I dunno...Uranus has gotten sideways...Venus rotates retrograde...once in it's orbit around the sun...or some such!...top of ninth...however it sorts out, there is a before and after back there at 12,000 BC or so...and our modern historically recorded history is the after!...Calhoun with a saving catch...hmmph...went on an astronomy diversion...Yankees 6-5...damn Yankees...

:)

DavidDavid

OTI:notes:4/23/19

Open To Interpretation

Rainbow Checkerboard

Notes: Game on...on the radio...Yankees and Rangers...bottom of seventh...Goodwin with lead off double...and...Yankees 6-1...fly out...La Stella up...

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Wari or Chimú 7th–15th century
Cotton, feathers; 40 x 40 in. (101.6 x 101.6 cm)
Private collection   



lol...just found that looking for earlier find, a four corner hat with rainbow checkerboard...that tunic is made with feathers!...and image is part of a slide show of equally beautiful textiles...that one has step fret and rainbow checkerboard!...Yankees 7-1...



Chimú 14th–15th century
Fiber, hide, reeds, copper, feathers; H. 10 1/4 in. (26 cm)
The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, Bequest of Jane Costello Goldberg, from the Collection of Arnold I. Goldberg, 1986 (1987.394.655) 

Oh!...here's the four cornered hat...or one like one I saw...



Sicán (Lambayeque); 10th–11th century
Cotton, reeds, hide, feathers; 5 1/4 x 8 1/4 in. (13.3 x 21 cm)
Brooklyn Museum, Ella C. Woodward Memorial Fund 61.11

another four corner...with the chacana/four sided step motif...posted this one last season, I think...


Fletcher with second hit...lead off runner...and, knocked in the one run on fielder's choice...Calhoun up...pics from here

https://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2008/radiance-from-the-rain-forest/photo-gallery

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lol...Bour wakes up and hits a grand slam...go figure...Yankees 7-5...no one out bottom of eighth...maybe this comeback will make it over the top!...this four corner hat is the same as above, but in Brooklyn Museum...Simmons waps a double...Pujols up...

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Chimú. Headdress, 1100-1470 C.E. Cotton, hide, feathers, wood or reed, 5 1/8 x 8 1/4 x 8 1/4 in. (13 x 21 x 21 cm). Brooklyn Museum, Ella C. Woodward Memorial Fund, 61.11a-b. Creative Commons-BY (Photo: Brooklyn Museum, 61.11_PS2.jpg)

(same hat, but one has top knot...note the pinwheel maltese crosses, in color!)

The Chimú kingdom, which dominated the northern and central coasts of present-day Peru from 1100 to 1470, produced a variety of high-status feathered garments and ornaments for the ruling elite, such as tabards (tunics open at the sides), pectorals, ear ornaments, and headdresses. The large quantity of feathered regalia indicates an active trading network with the distant tropical lowlands to make exotic feathers more readily available to skilled Chimú artisans.

Feathers were sewn or adhered to a woven cotton cloth that was then attached to a reed foundation. The checkerboard pattern, surrounding stepped-fret motifs, and abstracted human figures are classic Chimú designs.
https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/objects/78521

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Albert walks...Goodwin up...

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Survey of the Checkerboard Pattern and GIII’s  Kan/k’in Cross in Context

 Without a point of origin for the checkerboard and the context whereby it became to be associated with the Twisted Gourd and played such a visible role in the symbol set, it will be hard to securely define its meaning.



Chama-style polychrome tripod censer  c. 600-900 CE, Guatemala, with protrusions that look like cacao beans. Cacao beans, maize and gourds were equivalent substitutes in the Maya’s portrayal of the World Tree (mchap #0646-0647, Museo Chileno de Arte Precolombino. Also see MCHAP 0645.) 



A 5,000-year-old stirrup spout cacao vessel recovered from Ecuador. “These findings constitute the earliest evidence of T. cacao use in the Americas and the first unequivocal archaeological example of its pre-Columbian use in South America. They also reveal the upper Amazon region as the oldest centre of cacao domestication yet identified” (Zarrillo et al., 2018: fig.2a).

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“For the Maya, the sun defined both space and the agricultural cycle. The solstice sun rose and set at the corners of the quadrilateral world model, and the sun hovered above its center at noon on the two annual zenith passages. The east-west axis of the quadrilateral world represented the daily path of the sun while the north-south axis was its annual path. The colored quadrants of the world (red-east, black-west, white-north and yellow-south) were also tied to the sun’s path with red associated with the rising sun and black with setting sun. When the sun first enters the northern quadrant after the late April-early May solar zenith passage in the lowlands, it is a sign that it is time to burn the corn fields and plant. The burning of the corn fields not only turns the landscape white with ash, but the sky is filled with white smoke that often obliterates the sun, hence the association of white with the north. When the sun returns to its zenith position in late August and moves into the southern sky, the corn plants begin to mature and the green fields slowly turn to yellow” (Bassie-Sweet, 2018:62).

this is something...not sure what!...in previous post, I went on about an author's monograph about the Mayan's crossed band motif...since then, I note it in passing...and even found another author that gave a more elaborated depiction of the crossed band, or Saint...I forget...someones cross...Saint Andrews'!!!...for sometime...here this author is saying the swing from solstice to solstice gets stylized...I imagine there is an angle to this if one kept track of it on the ground...which is sure to have been done!...actually two angles where the cross arms meet..I dunno!...Yankees make out...to bottom of ninth...

https://thetinkuy.wordpress.com/the-bicephalic-serpent-as-the-milky-way/

Much of what Devereux goes over on that page was in work of author going on about the Twisted Gourd that I found last season...for sometime to compare the two...Devereux has speculative answers for just about every motif every step of the way...this in contrast say, to vlad9vt on youtube who just posts snagged images, rarely with any kind of captions...monuments for most part...the Mysterons seem to limit themselves to monuments, figurines...the world of motifs too much a tangle!...anyway...Angels lose another one...Yankees 7-5...

:)

DavidDavid

OTI:notes:4/22/19

Open To Interpretation

Jethro's Cave

Notes:  Game on...on the radio...Yankees and Angels...top of second...no score...La Stella had two home runs yesterday...shares Angels' club lead at six with Trout...to bottom of second...Yankees depleted by injuries...have about same record so far as Angels...around 500...well, the little book came, and it has too many nice photos in it to economically post them...author took them herself, which must have been in 1970's or so...and she Easter egg hunts up motifs: step frets, and stepped pyramids, and something she calls a T, which is just a short stepped pyramid...the stepped pyramid I call crow step, or step motif...watching Game of Thrones last night, I was curious to see what was on the parapet of the fortress...Ts!!!...I learn today...go figure...one out single for Smith...myself, I think the short T step is just a step motif...needless to say, everyone is using different names...which messes up searches...home run!!!...Lucroy hits one out!!!...Angels 2-1...reading the book, I realize how limited the web is...first, a search only goes a few pages deep...early on in web history they would go very deep...what happens after a few pages is the search word has morphed into other un-related words...what was the search I was doing that changed before my eyes?....oh!...twisted gourd...it's the name of a beer...all a sudden the beer showed up while doing twisted gourd searches, and pushed any archaeological references way back...down...wherever...this to say google searches are unreliable for browsing...one could be missing a lot...from the book:

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The Nahuatl term used by the Aztecs for this motif was xicalcoliuhqui, and the Spanish name was voluta de jicara, (volute of the gourd; Beyer 1965 :56).  In the Codex Magliabechiano (1970: 6r, lower left) representations of blankets bearing step-fret designs are glossed as manta de xicarca tuerta or "blanket with the crooked gourd (pattern)."  Moreover, one early observer, Marshall H. Saville (1920: 160-162), thought that step frets, when they appeared on shields, were conventionalized representations of the  crooked or double gourd traditionally used by native people to  carry water.  He noted, however, that the design could just as well have been derived from the spiral conch shell or from the coil of a snake.  Others (Beyer 1965: 56; Caso and Bernard 1952: 161;  Westheim 1965: 99; Garcia Payon 1973: 22), in contrast, maintain that the name implies only that this motif was a favorite ornament of potters.

Other scholars have suggested additional, and sometimes multiple, meanings for the motif.  For example: Robert Greg (1882: 157-160) thought it represented water, and W. H. Holmes (1895-1897: 53) thought waves were one possible source of inspiration.  Carl Lumholtz (1909: 201) saw a mass of clouds as a possible archetype.  Francis Parry (1894: 38) related the step-fret to the wind.  Jose Garca Payon (1951: 175; 1973: 18) associated the motif at El Tajin with light, sun, and life, and considered it to have been a magical protection against death.  Lumholtz (1909:201) and Saville (1920: 161-162) suggested also that one possible derivation for the step-fret was the serpent, a creature associated with water.  Holmes (1895-1897: 250) thought that the mosaic designs, including the step-fret, at Mitla, Oaxaca, were derived from markings on the body of a "serpent diety."  Paul Westheim (1965: 102-104) believed that it symbolized lightning or the "Fire Serpent."  I think that at one level of meaning, at least during the Epiclassic Period, it represented the "Feathered Serpent" (see fn. 14).

Chacs and Chiefs
The Iconography of Mosaic Stone Sculpture in Pre-Conquest Yucatan, Mexico
Rosemary Sharp
1981
pp9-10

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11 The step fret motif, however, occurs earlier in Peru than in Middle America.  For example, it is present on a fragment of pottery taken from the Temple of Chavin de Huantar (Tello 1960: 350, Fig. 174, bottom, far right) dating to the Chavin Period.  ... ... ...

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So, so, where am I...where is the game...I had to take to the tablet to transcribe that...can't look back and forth from computer screen to a book page!...need two kinds of glasses...can hold the book right next to the tablet, and so proceed in copying...I think it is top of eighth...copy effort took six innings!...lol...my short term memory is very short...copy pastes like only three words at a time...I think little books like this quoted from are called monographs...brb..."a detailed written study of a single specialized subject or an aspect of it."...yep...I'd like to keep each page of the blog a monograph!...anyway, a visitor to this page can get a hand hold on step frets, twisted gourds, and all...but Sharp just has that one little footnote about Andean step frets...this back in 1981, so maybe it wasn't known yet much from research in South America to Mesoamerica...apparently, even now it hasn't much...thought is to go crusader rabbit and promote the pan- American step fret motif!...sigh...I found another crow step (which is the step fret/step motif) to go along with the ones in the Monasteries, see previous post...brb...Jethro's Cave...if I ever own a bar...

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Above:  One of the caves of Jethro or Moses' cave near Al Bad

https://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

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Bible archaeology page...I found some old Arab forts too with the crenelated step motif wall tops...bit like GOTs fortress...but in the desert!...I tried to mark each place I find the step motif thereabout in the deserts of the Middle East...which were not deserts say at the time of the Great Pyramids...oh, maybe before...somewhere in that time between 12,000 BC and 1700 BC more rain fell, things were greener...even the Sahara desert...Goodwin on with one hit...and...nnooooo...Bour brought in to pinch hit for Fletcher!...wth Ausmus!...sheesh...lol..."inning ended rather abruptly there"...I'd say...Bour hit into a double play...to top of ninth...Angels 2-2...brought in starting pitcher from yesterday to relieve in ninth!...lol...to bottom of ninth...Trout with bloop lead off hit...tried to search up Codex Magliabechiano  6r, but cant find that particular page...yet...once I transcribe things from these old monographs, I can easy search them on web...and use one monograph to find others...which I did...and I have another one on order from amazon!...sigh...Simmons hits into a double play too...paywalls and book prices a deterrent!...Pujols up...wap it out Albert!...oh. a W...runner on, Smith up...oh, worse, La Stella had to go into play for Fletcher, so, he cant bat!...he's like ninth batter!...fly out...extra innings...Yankees made out...to bottom of tenth...bottom of twlfth...Smith with lead off single...Angels down...Yankess 3-2...Lucroy up...he had the home run in the second...1-2...K...Smith steals second...Calhoun up...1 for 21 against left handed pitching--Chapman...1-1...fly out to left...Cozart up...0-2...1-2...hit by pitch...Goodwin up...0-1..1-1...2-1...base hit!!!...Angels 3-3.Cozart down with shoulder injury?...sliding back to second...out last year with such...Pena comes in to pinch run...La Stella up...1-0...ground out...to top of thirteenth...hmmph...Yankees 4-3 in fourteen innings...

:)

DavidDavid

OTI:notes:4/21/19

Open To Interpretation

Apollo's Smile

Notes:  hmmmph...distracted with thoughts and errands, missed most of the game...Mariners and Angels...finally tuned in top of ninth...Angels 8-1...final score: Angels 8-6!...eesh...at least this time Mariners the ones disappointed their comeback fell short...just the worst!...anyway, that Nat Geo story in my thoughts...the smiling Apollo at Delphi...early Greek statues have expressions sorta smiling...this evolved, the smile attached itself to Apollo, and the Etruscans seem to have adopted the smile for their statues/paintings...or so my reach...thought to fill this in, and thought to fill in by seeing what Pausanias had to say about Delphi, and, and got diverted to goddess Isis...stepping stones so far:..(on the tablet waiting for the laptop to warm up!)...brb...

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10.32.13] About forty stades distant from Asclepius is a precinct and shrine sacred to Isis, the holiest of all those made by the Greeks for the Egyptian goddess. For the Tithoreans think it wrong to dwell round about it, and no one may enter the shrine except those whom Isis herself has honored by inviting them in dreams. The same rule is observed in the cities above the Maeander by the gods of the lower world; for to all whom they wish to enter their shrines they send visions seen in dreams.

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nowadays, one can take a snipping from Pausanias, and fill it out...seeing this I thought whimsically to find this Temple to Isis...and searched: Tithorea Isis...hmmph...now I'm much diverted from the smile of Apollo!...but maybe can loop back...anyway, here is the next step in the search, a site giving history time line of Isis worship in time of Pausanias, and on forward to the times of the Red Monastery, and Saint Catheryn's Monastery...see previous post's mention of these...brb...

link

http://www.maat.it/livello2-i/iside-01-i.htm

Isis "Regina Caeli"

end link

I'm getting better opening windows on the tablet!...move to laptop now...brb...

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The names of the Great Mother are so many: Inanna for the Sumerians, Ishtar for the Akkadians, Anat at Ugarit, Atargatis in Syria, Artemide-Diana at Ephesus, Baubo at Priene, Aphrodite-Venus at Cyprus, Rhea or Dictynna at Crete, Demeter at Eleusis, Orthia at Sparta, Bendis in Thrace, Cybele at Pessinus, Ma in Cappadocia, Bellona in Rome.

In Egypt her name is Isis. Daughter of Nut, goddess of the Sky, and of Geb, god of the Earth. Bride of Osiris, killed by Seth, god of the desert, and risen from the death thanks to the same Isis.

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Testimonies of the cult of Isis are found in Athens, at Tithorea near Delphi (where there was the most sacred of the Greek sanctuaries of Isis), in many centers of Greece, in the islands of the Aegean Sea (particularly at Delos), in Asia Minor, in Northern Africa, in Sicily, in Sardinia, in Spain, in Italy (especially in Campania at Pompeii, Pozzuoli, Ercolano), in Gaul and in Germany.

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In 415 a group of Christian monks, followers of the patriarch of Alexandria, saint Cyril (375-444), lynched Hypatia (370-415), woman who had reached a great fame in philosophy and in mathematics, remarkable figure of the Neo-Platonic school, leading figure of the pagan intellectual world. With her death it began the decline of Alexandria as a cultural center.

 

http://www.maat.it/livello2-i/iside-01-i

 

 

 

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that site is as thick with things as Pausanias!...but that last bit in the timeline, the timeline a must see, caught my eye...brb...

 

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Saint Catherine of Alexandria, or Saint Katharine of Alexandria, also known as Saint Catherine of the Wheel and The Great Martyr Saint Catherine (Coptic: Ⲙⲁⲅⲓⲁ Ⲕⲁⲧⲧⲣⲓⲛ; Greek: ἡ Ἁγία Αἰκατερίνη ἡ Μεγαλομάρτυς "Holy Catherine the Great Martyr"; Latin: Catharina Alexandrina), is, according to tradition, a Christian saint and virgin, who was martyred in the early 4th century at the hands of the pagan emperor Maxentius. According to her hagiography, she was both a princess and a noted scholar, who became a Christian around the age of 14, converted hundreds of people to Christianity, and was martyred around the age of 18. More than 1,100 years following her martyrdom, Saint Joan of Arc identified Catherine as one of the Saints who appeared to her and counselled her.^[4]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Alexandria

 

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seems odd two women were martyred with similar scholarly attributes at near same time...

 

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Towards the end of her life, Hypatia advised Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria, who was in the midst of a political feud with Cyril, the bishop of Alexandria. Rumors spread accusing her of preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril and, in March 415 AD, she was murdered by a mob of Christians led by a lector named Peter.

 

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Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia

 

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Saint Catherine's Monastery wasn't originally named after her...

 

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According to tradition, Catherine of Alexandria was a Christian martyr sentenced to death on the breaking wheel. When this failed to kill her, she was beheaded. According to tradition, angels took her remains to Mount Sinai. Around the year 800, monks from the Sinai Monastery found her remains.

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The oldest record of monastic life at Sinai comes from the travel journal written in Latin by a woman named Egeria about 381–384.^[6] She visited many places around the Holy Land and Mount Sinai, where, according to the Old Testament, Moses received the Ten Commandments from God.^[7]
The monastery was built by order of Emperor Justinian I (reigned 527–565), enclosing the Chapel of the Burning Bush (also known as "Saint Helen's Chapel") ordered to be built by Empress Consort Helena, mother of Constantine the Great, at the site where Moses is supposed to have seen the burning bush.^[8] The living bush on the grounds is purportedly the one seen by Moses.^[9] Structurally the monastery's king post truss is the oldest known surviving roof truss in the world.^[10] The site is sacred to Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.^[11]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Catherine%27s_Monastery#Christian_traditions

 

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hmmph..at first it was named after the Virgin Mary...an annoyance is Cyril...brb...

 

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Orestes (fl. 415) was the Praefectus augustalis of the Diocese of Egypt, that is, the Roman governor of the province of Egypt, in 415. He clashed against the bishop of Alexandria, Cyril, and their opposition precipitated the death of the philosopher and scientist Hypatia.

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This refusal almost cost Orestes his life. Nitrian monks came from the desert and instigated a riot against Orestes among the population of Alexandria. These monks' violence had already been used, 15 years before, by Theophilus against the "Tall Brothers"; furthermore, it is said that Cyril had spent five years among them in ascetic training.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orestes_(prefect)

 

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wth!...history is a miserable ball of yarn...pull on a thread, and regret...Nitran Monks?...brb...oh!...there's a movie...

 

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Orestes is portrayed in Ki Longfellow's Flow Down Like Silver, Hypatia of Alexandria in a highly imaginative way. In the 2009 movie Agora, by Alejandro Amenábar, Orestes is interpreted by Oscar Isaac.

 

same as above

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The alkali lakes of the Natron Valley provided the Ancient Egyptians with the sodium bicarbonate used in mummification and in Egyptian faience, and later by the Romans as a flux for glass making.

 

(odd, I've visited this place before, tracking the making of glass in ancient world, but it is in desert on West side of Nile...the Red and Catheryn's Monasteries are in the Sinai...a bit further east from them is Petra...what am I reaching for?...a diaspora of the followers of Isis...)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_El_Natrun

 

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For a brief period of time, Macarius was banished to an island in the Nile

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macarius_of_Egypt

 

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island in the Nile?...there's two named Macarius, both exiled to the island together...brb...

 

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Having learned of the extremely strict rule for monastic life observed at the Tabbenesiot Monastery, whose prior was Venerable St. Pachomios the Great (+ 348), St. Macarius disguised himself in secular clothing, and over the course of the entire Quadragesima [the 40-day Great Lent] neither ate bread nor drank water.^[3] No one saw him eating or sitting down. He was making baskets of palm leaves while he was standing. The monks said to Saint Pachomius: "Cast out this man from here, for he is not human." A divine inspiration subsequently revealed Macarius' identity to him, and the monks rushed to receive his blessings.^[2] Having demonstrated humility and taught a lesson to all, St. Macarius returned to his own monastery.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macarius_of_Alexandria

 

not like the Nile is full of notable islands...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Islands_of_the_Nile

 

brb...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9789047443735/Bej.9789004131415.I-381_007.xml

 

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hmmph...I don't know if the Monks went to Philae...their followers at least did...

 

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In 536 the emperor Justinian (483-565) ordered the closing of the last temple of Isis, situated in the island of Philae on the Nile at the borders with the Nubia, and made it turn into a Christian church.

 

(same as site up above a bit...from the timeline...the timeline has a curious tag at end...)

 

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In 431 the Christian bishops had gathered at Ephesus, the sacred city to the goddess Artemis, one of the manifestations of the Great Mother. The Council decreed that Mary, mother of Jesus, had to be called Theotokos, Mater Dei, God's Mother. The ancient title of the great goddess Isis.

 

http://www.maat.it/livello2-i/iside-01-i.htm

 

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Isis and Child beside Mary and Child...I'm being rhetorical somewhat in this post, maybe the whole blog!...presenting questions I already know the answer to...students of poetry early on are brought to Isis and Mary iconography...how one is superimposed over the other...this being gone on about, I'm far away from the bit about Pausanias!...the temple of Isis, and Tithorea...at least for now, as I've rambled enough for a post...bit like a bag of cheetoes...or popcorn...oh, one more thing...lapping over from yesterday's post, I tried to find more step motifs in the Coptic realm...no luck...happy luck to find the ones I did...but there was one more in a youtube clip...maybe I can snag that one...brb...

 

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Greek-Orthodox: Monastery Of St.Catherien, Sinai (Egypt) • Abbeys and Monasteries  

 

(still from 17:41)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h5zS7FBMs&t=67s

 

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so, I've come to a caption: Step Motifs in Saint's Halo at Saint Catherin's Monestary, Sinai, Egypt...not bad for an "uninitiated commoner"...Yankees in town tomorrow...try to get a ticket...off to see a movie...with popcorn...

 

:)

 

DavidDavid