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Before And After
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Yankees and Angels...Simmons just hit his second home run...Angels 2-0, I think...runners at corners, one away...well, that's a fit..."at the corners"...I'm trying to figure something out I stumbled on searching Saint Andrew's Cross (similar to 'crossed bands' Mayan motif/glyph)...what I found was a drawing of the chacana with the lines scribing the two solstices, winter and summer...woops...Calhoun hits a three run home run!!!...Angels 5-0...winter and summer, and they made a cross, a sorta Saint Andrew's cross, when stretched between upper and lower corners of the chacana...oh...have to find that pic, which will be difficult!...first, let me get Deverauex's drawing that I posted a few posts back, without much of a caption...brb...
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https://thetinkuy.wordpress.com/figure-2-andean-dark-cloud-constellations/
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Oh!...I miss remembered...that's not the solstices, but rather the Milky Way....but, but, it does the same thing overhead as the sun's path does going from solstice to solstice...so, safe!...I think...lemeessee I can find the chacana...
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Everything started with an amazing discovery made by Maria Scholten, while this anthropologist was studying the Chavin Culture back in the 50’s, she found that pre-columbian cultures used an specific measure : 3.34 x 10 ^ n.
Maria Scholten called it "The American Unit". Rectangles were based in 7 and 8 units per side and the diagonal created by this shape had a very special signification by all means.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread884361/pg1
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I don't know what all that is!...but earlier I posted in previous post I thought the chacana might be a sundial...and here I see it layed out like a diagram for the sun to pass over from solstice to solstice...that could be done with the Milky Way, like the diagram above, I think, and the cross/Saint Andrews made, would be the same...thought to go to the store to get another protractor, don't know where one I have got to, and draw some experiments on graph paper...the curio is the angle in the chacana diagram...22.3 degrees ...I very much want it to be 23.5...that is about what the earth's tilt is, and why the sun's paths moves from solstice to solstice...I could suggest a lot with the idea of before and after, before the web, after the web...time was, somewhere back there, the ancients didn't know about the tilt, leastwise it didn't show up in their artistries...brb...to top of sixth...
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The discovery of precession usually is attributed to Hipparchus (190–120 BC) of Rhodes or Nicaea, a Greek astronomer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession#History
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well, that's iffy...understanding of the Zodiac goes back further than that, and understanding of the Zodiac depends on understanding of the precession...oh wait...
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The zodiac system was developed in Babylonia, some 2,500 years ago, during the "Age of Aries".[57] At the time, it is assumed, the precession of the equinoxes was unknown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#History
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it's hard to picture...but the earth's tilt makes constellations slowly shift where they appear above the horizon...and it is a long cycle, like 24,000 years...one of the temples in Egypt has two alignments...it is so old that they had to change how it was oriented in order for the sun(?) to shine straight through to the inner sanctum...having the sun on the solstice shine through a corridor of some sort and shine on a specific spot is kind of an ancient's 'something'...that's one before and after the tilt manifests:...the zodiac...so, one can suggest a lot linking cultures with knowledge of the zodiac, and even more if one can track when they knew...but there is another before and after about the tilt...it causes the seasons...Milton goes on about it in Paradise Lost...for sometime the tilt!...how long before that the tilt was know to cause the seasons, I dunno...just experiencing the seasons one intuits it all, sorta...flat earthers have a real problem with it!!!...the thought is the ancients knew of the tilt, and encoded it in their monuments and artistries...which is really a sophisticated thing!...and I've often wondered how they found the angle 23.50...or even if they did...hmmph...I've diverted...but, sighting on the solstices, keeping a record of rising of the sun on the horizon...one can scribe a line reaching to each solstice from a mid point, the equinox, when the day is as long as it is short, and one ends up with the Saint Andrews cross...and I guess an angle from mid point to one solstice of 22.30...is that right!?...need an astronomer's counsel!...is there a precession of the Milky Way...well, that would be precession of the constellations...
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Like a top, Earth's rotational axis gyrates, with a period of 26,000 years. This motion is called precession, or "precession of the equinoxes". The Earth's spin causes it to be slightly flattened at the poles relative to the equator. ... Thus, precession affects the time of year in which various constellations are visible.Aug 23, 2012
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yes...there...the telling word is 'equinoxes'...that midpoint that creeps, shifts, on the horizon from one sign of the Zodiac to the next...
so, so, if one goes looking for this angle in ancient's artistries...last season, I mentioned for sometime to study all the angles in Egyptian art...one of the Mysteries is why there are no depictions of building or planning of the Great Pyramid...but, but, on the royal apron/loin cloth is often depicted a pyramid motif...I've seen this explained...but forget...related is the throne Pharaoh's sit on, which a square, with a smaller square, which the sacred geometers point to as an example of gnomonic growth...or some sort...brb...
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Aristotle, writing in about 350 BCE, noticed that certain things grow by adding units that are always the same shape, differing only in magnitude. Such shapes are called gnomons, and the study of "gnomonic growth" occupied a large part of Greek mathematics.
https://services.math.duke.edu/education/ccp/materials/mvcalc/equiang-alt/equi1.html
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thing of it is, Sumerian kings in the reliefs sit on the same square throne...and the thought is there is a before and after for depictions of square thrones like these!...on the Narmer Palette Pharoah is shown striking a kneeling enemy while holding his enemy's hair...kind of like holding a rabbit!...this image morphs into Pharaoh holding a bunch of enemies by their hair...and it appears with prominence in Egyptian art for like the next three thousand years...the Phoenicians adopted it, and it spread as far as Spain likely...and way down in the middle of Sudan, the Nubians built smallish pyramids with pylons, and the pylons have the same motif...somewhere, that motif started...it has a before and after, and even an after after...when it was no longer used!...Angels 5-4...runners at second and third...sacred geometers go on and on about the chacana...what did the Andeans see in it?...Angels 5-5...Trout makes a saving catch...and catch runner on second off base...double play!!!...
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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread884361/pg1
a big chacana...that site is confusing, and so full of ads!...to bottom of seventh...the Saint Andrews cross is a curio...there is a spider named after it...in fact, many spiders rest in their webs with legs splayed like the cross...which...makes for another curio...the threads of a spider web look like longitude and latitude on a globe/map...the spider's cross like the solstices and equinoxes discussed!...
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https://animalcorner.co.uk/animals/st-andrews-cross-spider/
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go figure!...lol...
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Everyone knows that the earth spins on its axis while it revolves around the sun. Most remember from grade 10 science class that the earth’s axis is not perfectly vertical, but rather tilted about 23.5 degrees. However, the axis is not always this way, as it slowly varies from about 24.5 degrees to 22.1 degrees, making a complete cycle every 41,000 years.
https://coolinterestingstuff.com/mysterious-alignment-of-ancient-sites-of-the-world
I've seen that before...that the tilt varies...so, 22.3 is in the ballpark, and my impression of the chacana may be right...it's a sundial that, like the spider!, can incorporate the precessions...there's two, I think...yearly precession of the sun, and that very long precession of the constellations/Milky Way...that site has the idea that about 12,000 years ago, the earth was upright, and then tilted over...I've looked into this...the coast of California, it's geology, doesn't indicate a shift...I'll have to look again...hmmph...and a related thought taken from looking at the location of major ancient monuments, which look to correspond to one another on a ring around the earth...the thought is that is where the old equator was, and the ancients built along the equator...years ago, and one of my first lookabouts on a search engine, the old MELVL for UC libraries, I tracked down the notion that the entire earth's crust can come loose from the magma layer beneath, and move...another way the tilt could be changed...another way is the swapping of magnetic poles...that is known to happen!...the crust thing happens on Venus, they think!...add to that, some space rock could just collide with us and alter the tilt...but actually, the earth bulges a bit at the equator, and has about it a gyroscopes stability...but, I dunno...Uranus has gotten sideways...Venus rotates retrograde...once in it's orbit around the sun...or some such!...top of ninth...however it sorts out, there is a before and after back there at 12,000 BC or so...and our modern historically recorded history is the after!...Calhoun with a saving catch...hmmph...went on an astronomy diversion...Yankees 6-5...damn Yankees...
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