Open To Interpretation
Housing
It's like we sleep in separate beds,
Me and the rest of humanity,
We go about our daily bread
Trying to keep our sanity.
It's not so bad...
Who am I kidding?
Star
There are stars,
There are actors,
And there are stage hands.
The audience hadn't a clue
I was in love with you.
Chickens Or Eggs
Who am I to say how it began,
Or how it will end?
Lol!
You can see the dilemma!
There is no before or after,
Every thing is simultaneous!
DolphinWords
Notes: hooey...the Angels/Giants game must have started early...4th--2-2...Pujols...K...last night was more meanness...almost bailed from my perch in the fifth inning...stuck around...wonderful dbl play by Simmons/Kinsley...double by Pujols...HR by Trout...a couple out of the strike zone, one high, one low, hits by Ohtani...not much to crow about...ah...Simmons hits a double...the Angels have a really entertaining team, both defensively and offensively...maybe not so much the pitching...anyway...game in progress tonight on my radio...7:30 about...old fellows follow baseball...and ponder ancient mysteries!...
More Chacmool...see yesterday's post...on the Chacmools chests is something called the 'butterfly breastplate'...it's on the Tula standing warriors too...they have the same headdresses too...I was pondering that before I went off on the mirrors...oh...on the Warriors' behinds is a decorative disc thought to have once been a pyrite mirror...was the breastplate too a mirror?!...the breastplate shows up as a glyp...the ollin glyp...no, wait...that's the centerpiece in the famous Aztec calendar...that shows up a lot...and it reminds me of the butterfly breastplate...maybe both have to do with the calendar...there are some statuettes of warriors with butterfly chest plates, and another plate like it in the headdress, but upside down...it is very very hard to track down a 'notice' like that!...and these other things...before the web, it was impossible just going to libraries, bookstores...now I can search these things out on the web...I'm going to have to post up a storyboard on the wall like detectives do!...looking at the breastplates on the warrior, one cant help but wonder something was on them...their flat smoothness a substrate, like the discs the chacmools have...maybe the pyrite mirrors...the odd position of the chamools is a puzzle...their like doing a sit up exercise crunch...the stomach muscles tensed...I've wondered if originally they were female...a woman giving birth...and I did find one Aztec drawing of a female on their back like the chacmool, their head not raised, and a snake emerging from their abdomen where the disc would be...a curio...while looking, took note of a clip showing how Incas might have cut stone with rope, water, and sand...backpacking, one carries a wire saw, and I've wondered my self about cutting stone with ropes...looked about, rope saws and such, and found clips of cutting limestone with saws...this modern...apparently, if one is cutting wet limestone, it is easy to cut with a saw...and the masons in the clip cut out nice smooth blocks pretty easily...the great Pyramid is mostly limestone blocks...so I looked up cutting stone with saws in ancient Egypt...and there's a clip of masons demonstrating using a long copper rectangular saw without sharp teeth...just notches...the soft copper imbeds with sand as it saws, and the sand's abrasion cuts the stone...it works...works better if wetted...and leaves the mysterious striations...and I thought, the rope would do this too maybe...then I went and contemplated the unfinished obelisk...still a puzzle...and then I thought, I need to reduce all this to the very basics, how Nature works stone....the first thing people say on seeing Yosemite Valley, is 'how did that happen?!'...oh...Trout and Marti with the scores...homeruns...still tied 2-2 bottom 6th...Belt hit two run HR for Giants...hmmph....well, Half Dome was made by erosion, exfoliation. and glacier grinding, tectonic uplift...glaciers grind away with their bottoms which have collected abrasive stones and such...they leave 'glacial polish', and striations/scratches...a mile high glacier is pretty heavy, so they grind away pretty good!...the explanation for how the Valley was formed...oh...Pujols hit a two run HR!!!...basically, Nature shapes stones by grinding stones against stones...and moves them against one another with rain/rivers...there's other things, volcanos, water freezing and cracking...earthquakes...us...lol...I left off with all that, and wondered what the California Indians did with stone...they're artifacts are close by...and they had grinding stones...BoSox no hit in Oakland!...chortle...in the Valley there are outcrops of granite near the Black Oaks with holes in them for grinding acorns...and they had mortars and pestles, I think...in Egypt they ground wheat, in Mesoamerica, corn, China rice...mortars and pestles are world wide...now, stored away, is the memory of the clip of stone masons near Angkor Watt...if I remember right...on a wall relief was a picture of how stones were shaped...a kind of scaffold crossbeam held a hanging stone that was moved across the stone to be shaped...the narrator had one of these rigged up, but it didn't work too well grinding back and forth...but he was in a local quarry, and the workers came over and showed how to rotate the hanging grinding stone, and that worked fine!...go figure!...grinding stone against stone is worldwide...oh, heck, Sandoval an rbi...and old...mortars and pestle from 40,000 years ago...but to make pyramids and such, stone grinding stone, that seems so slow...and I thought of millstones...apparently, Mesoamerica doesn't have millstones...which begs the question, how did they grind corn for large populations!...millstones are all over Europe and Asia...did they do all their grinding in the New World with Metates?...thing I'm noting here is that the grinder shapes the stone below it, same as a pestle and mortar...that's done with rotation to make the mortar...pounding to grind the grain or corn...details!...anyway...that's where the contemplation is 'bout now...brb...
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A metate or metlatl (or mealing stone) is a type or variety of quern, a ground stone tool used for processing grain and seeds. In traditional Mesoamerican culture, metates were typically used by women who would grind lime-treated maize and other organic materials during food preparation (e.g., making tortillas). Similar artifacts are found all over the world,[1] including China.[2]
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While varying in specific morphology, metates adhere to a common shape. They typically consist of large stones with a smooth depression or bowl worn into the upper surface. The bowl is formed by the continual and long-term grinding of materials using a smooth hand-held stone (known as a mano). This action consists of a horizontal grinding motion that differs from the vertical crushing motion used in a mortar and pestle. The depth of the bowl varies, though they are typically not deeper than those of a mortar; deeper metate bowls indicate either a longer period of use or greater degree of activity (i.e., economic specialization). The specific angles of the metate body allow for a proficient method of turning grains into flour.[3]
Another type of metate called a grinding slab may also be found among boulder or exposed bedrock outcroppings. The upper face of the stone is used for grinding materials, such as acorns, that results in the smoothing of the stone's face and the creation of pocked dimples
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...are the chacmools metates?...a 'note'!...did Mesoamerica have anything like the Old World's millstones?...brb...Sweet!...Middleton saves it for Richards!...Angels 4-Giants 3...now I'm at cocaa beans!...I just saw in a passing the Aztec aristocracy didn't drink pulqui, the intoxicating cactus drink, but only chocolate...cocaa beans were used for money!...and they were ground too like corn...trying to narrow that...hmmph...
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Analogous to the mortar and pestle, the monolithic hand stone and quern – stone slab for grinding seed or grain substances into powder – are ubiquitous throughout history in nearly every culture. Archaeologists and anthropologists believe the mano ( derived from the Spanish word for hand) and metate (quern in Spanish) were the primary tools for chocolate-based consumables in the Mesoamerican household since settlement around 2000 BC approximately through the 1800s.
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apparently, grinding corn/cacao in the New World was very labor intensive...for women...and the mills with millstones across Europe and Asia unknown...both attached much religious thought to milling...and as a metaphor, the pole with a stone rolling around over a lower stone, grinding grain, was taken up...see book Hamlet's Mill!...brb...
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The eleven-page introduction, written by de Santillana, provides an excellent orientation to the authors' thoughts, motivations, goals, and conclusions. Shakespeare's Hamlet is traced back to the story of Amlohdi and from there to the Viking tale of Grotte's Mill. The popular Norwegian fairy tale called "why the sea is salt," recorded in the early nineteenth century, descends directly from the myth of Grotte's Mill. The Hamlet's Mill "essay" then moves farther afield, drawing in a huge amount of related cosmogonic imagery. We first move to Finland, where the incredible Sampo story-its forging and theft-provides detailed imagery describing a World Age shifting of the celestial "frame of time." From there to Iran, India, Polynesia, back to Greece, Egypt, Babylonia and China; even New World mythology fits the criteria. The entire discussion indicates that ancient people around the globe observed the slow shifting of the celestial framework, what we call the precession of the equinoxes. Among academics and without good reason, the suggestion of this knowledge in ancient times has been dismissed out of hand, and this is exactly the problem. It is considered to be so patently impossible that no rational examination of the mythic forms describing precession has ever taken place. Hamlet's Mill is the first study to seriously address this question.
http://edj.net/mc2012/mill1.htm
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hmmmp...the pole the millstone rotates around is compared to the earth spinning on its axis...that's how the metaphor begins...and the other things happening in the grinding add on with more metaphors...how it all pinned to the sky is probably humanities greatest invention...arrived at convergent, or cultural interaction, I don't know...Robert Graves dabbled with magic mushrooms, and in his hallucinations saw a frog with a jewel in its forehead...brb...
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The toadstone, also known as bufonite, is a mythical stone or gem that was thought to be found in the head of a toad. It was supposed to be an antidote to poison and in this it is not unlike batrachite, supposedly formed in the heads of frogs. Toadstones were actually the button-like fossilized teeth of Lepidotes, an extinct genus of ray-finned fish from the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods. They appeared to be "stones that are perfect in form" and were set by European jewellers into magical rings and amulets from Medieval times until the 18th century.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toadstone
hmmph....wait!
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I have eaten the Mexican hallucinogenic mushroom psilocybe Heimsii in Gordon Wasson's company, with the intention of visiting the Mexican paradise called Tlal6can to which it gives access. The god Tlal6c, who was toadheaded, corresponded exactly with Agni and Dionysus.
https://www.math.uci.edu/~vbaranov/nicetexts/eng/mushrooms.html
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What Graves is suggesting is that hallucinogens open to realms common to everyone...somewhat like dreams, I'd say...and best eschew drugs...but apparently while things like toads with forehead jewels show up across oceans, mundane things like technologies don't...Graves was a charlatan too in the vein of the youtube mysterians, though he vehemently denied he wrote 'potboilers'...just what his books, I, Claudius, are, if not soap operas, I dunno!...on that page he seems to suggest toads secrete a toxin that makes a crust on their head, the jewel, and ingesting that brings on the hallucinations...this is something I haven't much interest in nailing down!...but he references Tlaloc...brb...
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The chacmools of Chichen Itza and Tula depict young men with warrior attributes, while the chacmools of Michoacán depict elderly men with wrinkled faces and erect penises.[2] A chacmool from Guácimo, Costa Rica, combines human and jaguar features and grips a bowl.[3] The face of the figure looks upwards and the bowl was apparently used to grind foodstuffs.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chacmool
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oh!...a dogear (note)!...Tlaloc?...brb...
quote--same wiki
Two chacmools have been recovered that were associated with the Great Temple of Tenochtitlan, the Aztec capital. The first was discovered in 1943, on the junction of Venustiano Carranza and Pino Suarez, about two blocks south of the temple itself. The second chacmool was excavated in the sacred precinct.[15] This is the only fully polychrome chacmool that has been recovered anywhere;[15] it had an open mouth and exposed teeth and stood in front of the temple of Tlaloc, the Aztec rain god; its sculpted bowl probably received heart and blood sacrifices.[16] This latter sculpture is by far the older of the two
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Tlaloc is also associated with caves, springs, and mountains, most specifically the sacred mountain in which he was believed to reside. His animal forms include herons and water-dwelling creatures such as amphibians,
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The cult of Tlaloc is one of the oldest and most universal in ancient Mexico. Although the name Tlaloc is specifically Aztec, worship of a storm god like Tlaloc, associated with mountaintop shrines and with life-giving rain, is as at least as old as Teotihuacan and likely was adopted from the Maya god Chaac or vice versa, or perhaps he was ultimately derived from an earlier Olmec precursor. An underground Tlaloc shrine has been found at Teotihuacan.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaloc
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that last bit references the cavern in yesterday's post, I think...brb...
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They scanned the earth under the Ciudadela, returning every afternoon to upload the results to Gómez’s computers. By 2005, the digital map was complete. The archaeologists explored the tunnel with a remote-controlled robot called Tlaloc II-TC, equipped with an infrared camera and a laser scanner that generates 3D visualization to perform three dimensional register of the spaces beneath the temple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan#Recent_discoveries
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:)...anyway, let me see if I can find the jeweled toad...keeps slipping away...
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In years leading up to 1942, a series of murals were found in the Tepantitla compound in Teotihuacan. The Tepantitla compound provided housing for what appears to have been high status citizens and its walls (as well as much of Teotihuacan) are adorned with brightly painted frescoes. The largest figures within the murals depicted complex and ornate deities or supernaturals. In 1942, archaeologist Alfonso Caso identified these central figures as a Teotihuacan equivalent of Tlaloc, the Mesoamerican god of rain and warfare. This was the consensus view for some 30 years.
In 1974, Peter Furst suggested that the murals instead showed a feminine deity, an interpretation echoed by researcher Esther Pasztory. Their analysis of the murals was based on a number of factors including the gender of accompanying figures, the green bird in the headdress, and the spiders seen above the figure.[1] Pasztory concluded that the figures represented a vegetation and fertility goddess that was a predecessor of the much later Aztec goddess Xochiquetzal.
https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=126979308348410557#editor/target=post;postID=8389096902116923222;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=0;src=link
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Graves references that mural for the toad...first discovered in 1942, and in 1974 the speculation that it depicts a goddess...Graves is like a cat landing on its feet...the toad?
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The bumps and warts on toads’ skins served an important purpose in Mexica religion as they secreted poisons that could cause hallucinogenic states used in ritual practice. The poison, called bufotenin, impacted the cardiovascular system and could be deadly when ingested in large amount. Therefore, to transport themselves to mind-altering states priests only consumed tiny quantities. According to Spanish chroniclers, the Mexicas boiled, ground, and licked toads to obtain the substance.
Excavations of the Templo Mayor in Mexico City reveal that toads were the only amphibians the Mexicas left in ritual caches (offerings to the gods) at the site, often as offerings to the god of rain and water, Tlaloc. Mexica sculptors also carved toads into large and small stone sculptures. One particularly large and robust sculpture (Pic 3) emphasizes the hallucinogenic properties of the toad, as the sculptor carved circular, wide eyes and glands atop the head that...
http://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/flora-and-fauna/frogs-and-toads
go figure!!!
Sweet are the uses of adversity;
Which, like the toad, ugly and venomous,
Wears yet a precious jewel in his head.
As You Like It--Shakespeare
:)
DavidDavid
apparently, grinding corn/cacao in the New World was very labor intensive...for women...and the mills with millstones across Europe and Asia unknown...both attached much religious thought to milling...and as a metaphor, the pole with a stone rolling around over a lower stone, grinding grain, was taken up...see book Hamlet's Mill!...brb...
quote
The eleven-page introduction, written by de Santillana, provides an excellent orientation to the authors' thoughts, motivations, goals, and conclusions. Shakespeare's Hamlet is traced back to the story of Amlohdi and from there to the Viking tale of Grotte's Mill. The popular Norwegian fairy tale called "why the sea is salt," recorded in the early nineteenth century, descends directly from the myth of Grotte's Mill. The Hamlet's Mill "essay" then moves farther afield, drawing in a huge amount of related cosmogonic imagery. We first move to Finland, where the incredible Sampo story-its forging and theft-provides detailed imagery describing a World Age shifting of the celestial "frame of time." From there to Iran, India, Polynesia, back to Greece, Egypt, Babylonia and China; even New World mythology fits the criteria. The entire discussion indicates that ancient people around the globe observed the slow shifting of the celestial framework, what we call the precession of the equinoxes. Among academics and without good reason, the suggestion of this knowledge in ancient times has been dismissed out of hand, and this is exactly the problem. It is considered to be so patently impossible that no rational examination of the mythic forms describing precession has ever taken place. Hamlet's Mill is the first study to seriously address this question.
http://edj.net/mc2012/mill1.htm
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hmmmp...the pole the millstone rotates around is compared to the earth spinning on its axis...that's how the metaphor begins...and the other things happening in the grinding add on with more metaphors...how it all pinned to the sky is probably humanities greatest invention...arrived at convergent, or cultural interaction, I don't know...Robert Graves dabbled with magic mushrooms, and in his hallucinations saw a frog with a jewel in its forehead...brb...
quote
The toadstone, also known as bufonite, is a mythical stone or gem that was thought to be found in the head of a toad. It was supposed to be an antidote to poison and in this it is not unlike batrachite, supposedly formed in the heads of frogs. Toadstones were actually the button-like fossilized teeth of Lepidotes, an extinct genus of ray-finned fish from the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods. They appeared to be "stones that are perfect in form" and were set by European jewellers into magical rings and amulets from Medieval times until the 18th century.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toadstone
hmmph....wait!
quote
I have eaten the Mexican hallucinogenic mushroom psilocybe Heimsii in Gordon Wasson's company, with the intention of visiting the Mexican paradise called Tlal6can to which it gives access. The god Tlal6c, who was toadheaded, corresponded exactly with Agni and Dionysus.
https://www.math.uci.edu/~vbaranov/nicetexts/eng/mushrooms.html
...
What Graves is suggesting is that hallucinogens open to realms common to everyone...somewhat like dreams, I'd say...and best eschew drugs...but apparently while things like toads with forehead jewels show up across oceans, mundane things like technologies don't...Graves was a charlatan too in the vein of the youtube mysterians, though he vehemently denied he wrote 'potboilers'...just what his books, I, Claudius, are, if not soap operas, I dunno!...on that page he seems to suggest toads secrete a toxin that makes a crust on their head, the jewel, and ingesting that brings on the hallucinations...this is something I haven't much interest in nailing down!...but he references Tlaloc...brb...
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The chacmools of Chichen Itza and Tula depict young men with warrior attributes, while the chacmools of Michoacán depict elderly men with wrinkled faces and erect penises.[2] A chacmool from Guácimo, Costa Rica, combines human and jaguar features and grips a bowl.[3] The face of the figure looks upwards and the bowl was apparently used to grind foodstuffs.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chacmool
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oh!...a dogear (note)!...Tlaloc?...brb...
quote--same wiki
Two chacmools have been recovered that were associated with the Great Temple of Tenochtitlan, the Aztec capital. The first was discovered in 1943, on the junction of Venustiano Carranza and Pino Suarez, about two blocks south of the temple itself. The second chacmool was excavated in the sacred precinct.[15] This is the only fully polychrome chacmool that has been recovered anywhere;[15] it had an open mouth and exposed teeth and stood in front of the temple of Tlaloc, the Aztec rain god; its sculpted bowl probably received heart and blood sacrifices.[16] This latter sculpture is by far the older of the two
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Tlaloc is also associated with caves, springs, and mountains, most specifically the sacred mountain in which he was believed to reside. His animal forms include herons and water-dwelling creatures such as amphibians,
...
The cult of Tlaloc is one of the oldest and most universal in ancient Mexico. Although the name Tlaloc is specifically Aztec, worship of a storm god like Tlaloc, associated with mountaintop shrines and with life-giving rain, is as at least as old as Teotihuacan and likely was adopted from the Maya god Chaac or vice versa, or perhaps he was ultimately derived from an earlier Olmec precursor. An underground Tlaloc shrine has been found at Teotihuacan.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaloc
unquote
that last bit references the cavern in yesterday's post, I think...brb...
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They scanned the earth under the Ciudadela, returning every afternoon to upload the results to Gómez’s computers. By 2005, the digital map was complete. The archaeologists explored the tunnel with a remote-controlled robot called Tlaloc II-TC, equipped with an infrared camera and a laser scanner that generates 3D visualization to perform three dimensional register of the spaces beneath the temple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan#Recent_discoveries
unquote
:)...anyway, let me see if I can find the jeweled toad...keeps slipping away...
quote
In years leading up to 1942, a series of murals were found in the Tepantitla compound in Teotihuacan. The Tepantitla compound provided housing for what appears to have been high status citizens and its walls (as well as much of Teotihuacan) are adorned with brightly painted frescoes. The largest figures within the murals depicted complex and ornate deities or supernaturals. In 1942, archaeologist Alfonso Caso identified these central figures as a Teotihuacan equivalent of Tlaloc, the Mesoamerican god of rain and warfare. This was the consensus view for some 30 years.
In 1974, Peter Furst suggested that the murals instead showed a feminine deity, an interpretation echoed by researcher Esther Pasztory. Their analysis of the murals was based on a number of factors including the gender of accompanying figures, the green bird in the headdress, and the spiders seen above the figure.[1] Pasztory concluded that the figures represented a vegetation and fertility goddess that was a predecessor of the much later Aztec goddess Xochiquetzal.
https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=126979308348410557#editor/target=post;postID=8389096902116923222;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=0;src=link
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Graves references that mural for the toad...first discovered in 1942, and in 1974 the speculation that it depicts a goddess...Graves is like a cat landing on its feet...the toad?
quote
The bumps and warts on toads’ skins served an important purpose in Mexica religion as they secreted poisons that could cause hallucinogenic states used in ritual practice. The poison, called bufotenin, impacted the cardiovascular system and could be deadly when ingested in large amount. Therefore, to transport themselves to mind-altering states priests only consumed tiny quantities. According to Spanish chroniclers, the Mexicas boiled, ground, and licked toads to obtain the substance.
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| Pic 3: Aztec stone sculpture of a toad, National Museum of Anthropology, Mexico City (Click on image to enlarge) |
Excavations of the Templo Mayor in Mexico City reveal that toads were the only amphibians the Mexicas left in ritual caches (offerings to the gods) at the site, often as offerings to the god of rain and water, Tlaloc. Mexica sculptors also carved toads into large and small stone sculptures. One particularly large and robust sculpture (Pic 3) emphasizes the hallucinogenic properties of the toad, as the sculptor carved circular, wide eyes and glands atop the head that...
http://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/flora-and-fauna/frogs-and-toads
go figure!!!
Sweet are the uses of adversity;
Which, like the toad, ugly and venomous,
Wears yet a precious jewel in his head.
As You Like It--Shakespeare
:)
DavidDavid
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