Notes: I rolled over to Bower's Museum, reluctantly, as I knew I would have a funds depletion, and took some pics, had a snack, bought a book, and for the expense, found pics of the butterfly pectoral in Michael Coe's book, which I purchased in the bookstore, that's on the Temple of the Warriors at Chichen Itza warrior, which I suspected would be--warrior is much eroded--and as a bonus, on a previous page, is an artifact depicting a warrior being eaten, or spit out like Jason!, from a dragon, and he too has a butterfly pectoral on his chest...in the California Indian room, was a basket with swastikas, and caption explained the other ideograph/symbol, represented butterflies...so, so, there I see my suspicion of the swastika being a butterfly beside a stylized butterfly...what is the swastika a stylization of?...being beside the butterflies as it is, one might think it represents something similar in keeping, like flowers...but off hand I cant think of any four petal flowers...flowers do make crosses, and whirls, and I'm thinking maybe their stamens and pistols make shapes...brb...
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I recently returned from a powerful group experience at Teotihuacan, Mexico called “The Journey of the Four Petaled Flower.” I co-lead these journeys...
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Underneath the very center of what has become known as the Pyramid of the Sun is a natural cave. About one thousand years before the pyramid was built on top of it, (three thousand years ago!!) the cave was carved by hand into the shape of a four petaled flower. This symbol, the four petaled flower, is the center of not only the pyramid, but the entire complex of Teotihuacan.
http://fullcirclespiritualhealing.com/2012/05/11/the-four-petaled-flower/
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well, that was a surprise!...thought to just find flowers...there are four petal flowers...site has pics from Teotihuacan murals and reliefs...flower resembles El Castillio and the Codex illustration...in having the fourfold symmetry which can be related to the four directions, and which the Mayans/Totecs/Aztecs extended to the four worlds and the tales of the underworld...the codex illustration, see yesterday's post...this post twenty on in a series...see previous...the codex illustration has four trees with birds on top, the tree with bird being a motif on Pakal's tomb lid, and explained in the world's origin myth...for sometime...in the illustration too, on each side of the tree, in that famous binary pose of two figures on either side of a tree found all over the world, are two figures with their hands in that mudra pose, one hand up, one hand down...very nice statue at the museum of Kannon with her hands in this pose...very common in Indian Asian art...on another note is the Indian cog wheels found hereabout...the captions for these for decades have indicated they are mysterious...but today, going through the Polynesian room, I saw a 'cog wheel' on a heavy stick...it was a club/mace...and that may be what the local cogwheels are...maces...oh...wanted to look at four petals some more...brb...well, here's a link to an old, 2009, forum discussion begun with the question, 'what real flower is alluded to by the Teotihuacan reliefs and mural?'...poster who has lived near the site for years, asks the question, then relates, that she has just seen some night blooming primrose blooming, and asks, 'could that be'...that's one of those 'natural steps'...a flower that only opens at night would have import...brb...
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The image of a four-petal flower is ubiquitous at Teotihuacán. The sacred tunnel under the Pyramid of the Sun ends in chambers shaped like a four-petal flower. Four-petal flowers also appear in relief carvings on the columns at the Palace of Quetzalpapalotl, near the Pyramid of the Moon. There are many more examples to be found throughout the city. The four-petal flower symbolized the earth, with its four sacred directions. The designers of Teotihuacán divided the city into four quadrants, separated from north to south by the Avenue of the Dead. Another east to west avenue crossed the Avenue of the Dead perpendicularly at the Citadel. All this represented a conscious and deliberate attempt to build a city that imitated the cosmos with Teotihuacán at the center of the "four-petal" earth.
http://cookjmex.blogspot.com/2017/08/teotihuacan-palacio-tepantitla-abode-of.html
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well, I've diverted from posting the pics next to the notes...pics at the end of the post...more four petals...
lemesee if four petal flowers are ubiquitous at Chichen Itza!??...brb...
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We continue to find and photograph 4-petaled flowers native to the Mayan areas of Guatemala. These are to assist iconographers and epigraphers to recognize the 4-petaled flowers on Tepeu 2 (Late Classic) Maya ceramic vases, bowls, and plates.
I am interested in 4-petaled flowers because several 9th century bowls and vases in Tikal Burial 196, “Tomb of the Jade Jaguar,” were decorated with flowers of four petals.
http://www.maya-archaeology.org/home/uncategorised/great-example-of-4-petaled-jussiaea-species-arroyo-petexbatun.php
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hmmph...game on, on the radio!...'underway and the first pitch'...Angels and Yankees...was waiting for the game...tried to get the pics in order first...Cozart up...base hit...Trout up...bangs off the wall...'a ringing double'...two batters in...Kinsler got on?...Upton up...K...Pujols up...Trout to third on long fly out...two out...Ohtani up...K...a first inning run...announcer miss spoke about two runners....hmmph...Angels 1-0...fump...Gardner home run for Yankees...Angels 1-1...Judge up...yep...damn Yankees..home run...Yankees 2-1...Barria is getting rocked...they had sent Barria back down to the minors again...he had only given up one home run back in early April...past stats meaningless against Yankee line up...two outs...fly out, K...
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So I conclude that it is unlikely that the designs on the Uaxactun vases or bowls are rabbit years or the ears of hares either.
So what is the symbolism of these rounded shapes?
It is rather obvious that this geometric design represents some kind of flower.
But what species?
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Indeed I asked a PhD candidate who is doing an excellent dissertation on sacred Maya flowers, and he told me that he had not yet found the actual species with these specific flowers.
This Maya flower is quite different from 4-petaled flowers of Teotihuacan.
http://www.maya-archaeology.org/home/mayanarchaeologylecturesprogramsseminarscoursesclassesexhibits/mayanarchaeologylecturesprogramsseminarscoursesclassesexhibits.php
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fly out...to top of 2nd...Simmons infield hit...Valbuena up...ground out...hmmph...that site's author leaves off stumped...the primrose seems like an excellent candidate!...brb...Calhoun out...not sure who else made out...on to bottom of 2nd...this is a curious thing, this four petal flower!...oh...I've found it...the primrose...and in conjunction with a moth...I've come to suspect the butterfly pectoral might be a moth pectoral!...Yankees got a hit...trying to figure out how to extract quote from book reference...damn..."hit the foul pole a home run"...Romite...Yankees 4-1...and Torres up...he's hit home runs in four consecutive games now...fans have it he will be rookie of year...and he bats ninth!...such the power of the Yankee lineup!...Torres made out...oh...for goodness sake...book has it that there's a moth that feeds specifically on the primrose, and is called the 'hummingbird moth', and there's a particular hummingbird to go with the moth, and the primrose, and the moth's larva/caterpillar has a distinctive thorn on its tail, which configures with the Mayan's fascination with self mutilation/blood letting...here's link to book pages...Cozart a hit, Trout a double...runner at first and second, no out...Upton up...2-2....
Visual Culture of the Ancient Americas: Contemporary Perspectives
edited by Andrew Finegold, Ellen HooblerW...bases loaded...Pujols up...a moth is depicted in icons, figures, coming out of mouths...whole idea found its way into the movieSilenceOfTheLambs...Pujols K...Ohtani...can't stand it...Angels been terrible...leaving runners on base...2-0...Yanks wont be putting anything over plate against O...2-1...Ohtani tried to catch the foul to give to ump...he has these mannerisms...3-1...W...Yanks gave up the run rather than let him hit...he cleans home plate when he comes up to bat...and has a very ritualistic take off of his pads, set his bat down, when he walks...very Japanese!...Simmons up...sac fly...Trout across...Yankees 4-3...Valbuena up...I was trying last night to find a 'death head' butterfly or moth...I saw a drawing of a moth with a cow's skull like markings, and it looked like it had three wings...the lower ones being lobed in such a way...this in google images...death head moth/butterfly searches...thinking along in the way the Mesoamericans do!...I thought the butterfly pectoral probably had some grimness to it!...searching that I found the mouth and moth stuff...for sometime!...to bottom of third...Stanton K, throw to second to get Judge wild...Judge to third...oh...the book has an illustration...from Tapentitla Mural...figures harvesting...a four petal flower plant, and moths flying about...long fly out..inning over...book mentions the hawkmoth...hawkmoths, I learned last night, do have a 'death's head'...brb...
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The former species is found primarily in Europe, the latter two are Asian; most uses of the common name refer to the European species. These moths are easily distinguishable by the vaguely human skull-shaped pattern of markings on the thorax. All three species are fairly similar in size, coloration, and life cycle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death%27s-head_hawkmoth
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Calhoun full count...W!!!...good job C!...Resenio up...new to me...oh no...gets a hit, but out trying to reach second...got his first hit!...Calhoun on third...these moths have a trick...they somehow can sneak into a bee hive and not get attacked...and there they sup up honey...Cozart K...Trout up...a no doubter...home run!!!...Angels 5-3...there are hawkmoths in Mexico, but I don't think they do the hive thing, or have death heads...Upton hit by pitch...there are a lot of butterflies and moths in Mesoamerica!...hawkmoths called hummingbird moths...Mesoamericans obsess on hummingbirds!...bottom of 4th...new pitcher for Angels...Yankees made out...Ohtani up...0-2...K...three pitches!...hmmph...apparently, 'swastika' is, or was, a term used in describing the general shape of flowers...this from this book...someone got a two hit walk or hit...Calhoun up...Angels made out...bottom of 5th?...that's interesting...that 'swastika' is a term to describe flowers...two fly outs to Trout...Yankee thrown out trying for second...top of 6th...
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The present day family Cruciferae was called Swastikaganiyam because the calyx resembles a Swastika,
http://www.biologydiscussion.com/plants/flowering-plants/flowering-plants-in-india-classification-botany/19284
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well!...there's my thought that the pistols and stamens of a flower might make a swastika...family Cruciferae...brb...new pitcher for Yankees...Resinio up...don't know the spelling of name...Kanley pitching...Cozart up...don't know what happened to Resinio!...oh...they're both on now...a fc error...runners first and second...Trout with another double!!!...three of them...run scores...Angels 6-4...runners on second and third...Young in Upton..."first four extra base hits for Trout in his career"...W...bases loaded...no one out...Pujols up...a hit..."two run single for Albert"!...Angels 8-4...Ohtani up...0-1...a double play...but a run scores...no rbi...Angels 9-4...Simmons fly out...Sreve in relief for Yankees...well, I'm looking for four petal flowers in ancient Egypt!...and there's the four sons of Horus standing on lotus flower...brb...Ramerez pitching...3-2...26 appearance for Ramerez!...fly out to Young...water lilies/lotuses for sometime...important to everyone including Mesoamericans...are the fours sons related to four directions?...ground out...two away...three out...top of 7th...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_sons_of_Horus
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Kinsler pinch hit for Valbuena...fly out...Resinio hits a home run...his first home run in the big leagues...Cozart up...
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In Maya mythology, Chac (sometimes spelled "Chaac") was the god of rain and thunder, and important as a fertility and agriculture god. Like some other Maya gods, Chac was sometimes thought of as one god, and other times as 4 separate gods based in the four cardinal directions: "Chac Xib Chac", Red Chac of the East; "Sac Xib Chac", White North Chac; "Ek Xib Chac" Black West Chac", and "Kan Xib Chac", Yellow East Chac.
http://www.crystalinks.com/mayangods.html
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Trout is up...don't know what happened to Cozart...infield hit for Trout...are colors associated with the Sons of Horus?...brb...
from wiki...
hmmph...and Chac to Horus...Young lines out...Angels 9-4...
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Chaac (also spelled Chac or, in Classic Mayan, Chaahk [t͡ʃaːhk]) is the name of the Maya rain deity. With his lightning axe, Chaac strikes the clouds and produces thunder and rain. Chaac corresponds to Tlaloc among the Aztecs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaac
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bottom of 7th...lead off hit...well, the Mysterions note it, the similarity of Chaac and Horus, and the two sets of four gods from them...Horus as a Hawk was the highest point...the zenith over the four directions...well, I can gather that the top Mesoamerican gods overlay with the top Egyptian gods...and those with the Greeks, Sumarians...and around the world the other cultures...it's one story being retold in different versions...I've tried to think how to describe this...here's one example...
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Kurosawa and the writers were innovative in refining the theme of the assembly of heroic characters to perform a mission. According to Michael Jeck's DVD commentary, Seven Samurai was among the first films to use the now-common plot element of the recruiting and gathering of heroes into a team to accomplish a specific goal, a device used in later films such as The Guns of Navarone, Sholay, the western remake The Magnificent Seven, and Pixar's animated film A Bug's Life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Samurai
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HBO's movieWestworld would make an Aztec cringe...all that aside...it has an example...the story plot done by the hosts for the guests in the Western setting, is duplicated by Japanese hosts in another part of the park...which leads to a strange confrontation when the hosts in the western story encounter their counterparts in the Japan story...hmmph...why the myths are alike isn't explained by the early anthropologists who stay close to scientific methods...they just gather the evidence...and it adds up to remarkable instances of convergence, or a remarkable instance of diffusion...the how of either a mystery!!!...clearly Hollywood's stories are from diffusion, though, well, I could show from examples of poetry, how poets come up with very similar poems, but know nothing of one another...happens with musical tunes and lyrics too...I related once that I thought poems exist somewhere like butterflies and are caught...and they are what they are...the poem one sees an attempt to depict them...poets with like poems are relating like 'butterflies'!...how that happens is a 'mystery' too...Robert Graves and Laura Riding wrote up a book of poetic criticism...brb...
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Method in poetry is therefore not anything that can be talked about in terms of physical form. The poem is not the paper, not the type, not the spoken syllables. It is as invisible and as inaudible as thought; and the only method that the real poet is interested in using is one that will present the poem without making it either visible or audible, without turning it into a substitute for a picture or for music.
A Survey of Modernist Poetry (1927)
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/jackson/graves.htm
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bottom of 8th?...well, I'm stuck on a rocky crag with no way up or down...let me rest a sec!...Stanton up...Anderson pitching...ground out first pitch...foul out...two out...five hit night for Trout...first of his career...K...to top of 9th...Angels 11-4...they did more scoring while I was musing...oh....the pics...brb...
photos from Coe's The Maya...basket and cog from Bower's Museum...the Illustration with the hand gesture mudras...note the glyph in the middle...that shows up a lot...Angels made out...bottom of 9th...ground out to Kinsler...does Barria get the win?...I think so...cool...liner out, K..."you can put a halo over this one!"
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DavidDavid
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