Thursday, August 2, 2018

OTI:2nd notes:8/2/18

Open to Interpretation

Notes: well, I got to looking at the Jiroft artifact from previous post...and got ahead of myself looking at the Egyptian Narmer Palette...try to fill in how I got from Jiroft culture things to Egyptian things, with side trips to Peru!...this post seventh sixth in a series...see previous...and second for today...earlier Angels on...now...game on...on the radio...Dodgers at home against ?...oh...Bellinger had a grand slam, Kershaw on the mound...early innings, but this one looks to be in the creel for the Dodgers!...already in the 5th?...maybe an early start...maybe not at home?...home run over Puig's head...Dodgers 7-2...still don't know who they're playing...can't Dodger announcers say, "'player name' a home run"...oh..."Marlins score a run"...or some such...they're playing the Marlins...for sure home in LA...wonder what goes on when Marlins play the Rays!...NL and Al teams...like Angels and Dodgers...attendance really low in Florida...

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http://grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?1,1141669

that page has a take on Jiroft culture...it was just discovered back in 2000 after a flash flood...Iranian farmer saw a jar...villagers got wind of it...found graveyards and looted all the tombs...landscape now cratered like the moon...same look as the landscape around the Moche adobe pyramids...being farmers, these folk are thorough in Iran and Peru!...government finally stepped in, called in the archaeologists...the archaeologists noted the adobe mounds nearby, small hills, and discovered a stepped pyramid/ziggurat and a huge fort...professional digging now on going...though I can't find reports from like this year...Dozier hits a three run home run...back to back with his home run last night...Dozier was an Egyptian pharaoh?...Saqqara pyramid ver 2.jpg...Pyramid of Djoser/wiki...go figure...anyway, studying the forum back and forth at the link above, I found this:

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The hieroglyph for Heb-Sed used on the Palermo Stone is the double stairway or stepped pyramid. Gardiner sign list 041:
To the people of the 5th Dynasty it was depicted as a stepped pyramid yet if it was really only a single stairway as rendered then they would have just used that sign instead:

Author: Thanos5150 ()
Date: April 03, 2018 04:37PM
 
Author: Thanos5150 ()
Date: April 04, 2018 03:54PM
 
 
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that pic, uncaptioned, and below, like four pics down, is misleadingly captioned, is properly captioned here as "Thetet on the Narmer macehead standing behind seated Narmer in his Osiris-like pose (reproduction)":
 
 
I had come to Hancock's page with a Jiroft artifact search...and before that I had happened on vlad9vt's youtube of Jiroft artifacts...for sometime vlad9vt's youtubes!...announcer just called them the 'brewers'...I dunno...Mariners make out....I think...
 
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One of the oldest civilisation on Earth, Jiroft culture, Iran  
 
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so, I'm reading the forum posts and they divert into talking about the Egyptian Heb Sed festival...with pics...
 
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and...oh!...a diversion...but in keeping...this page does good take on the Heb Sed...explaining the hieroglyphs...
 
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Jubilee Hieroglyph Symbol with Ankh and Djed Pillar. Temple of Seti I, Abydos Egypt
 
The frog was admired in ancient Egypt for the abundance of its offspring and so became a symbol of creation, fertility, birth, and regeneration. As an underworld animal it was associated with the forces which initially brought life into being. The four male gods of the primeval eight who ruled before the creation of the world were thus frog-headed. Based on my research, the animals inside the “festival” hieroglyph are frogs which would be symbols of regeneration although they are sometimes represented schematically.
 
 
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I'll come back to that!...oh...wait again...:)
 
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Second Heb Sed Festival of Ptolemy VIII Euegerties (182-116 BCE) Presented by Horus of the Sky. Edfu Temple Egypt
 
same site
 
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those two staffs are the ones Hapi holds...and with these I can see now what is at their bottom...a frog!...Hapi is associated with the Heb Sed...Dodgers 12-2...to top of 7th...went on about Hapi two posts back...thought was/is Hapi is the Djed pillar, and the pillar is the Nile...these two staffs represent waterfalls...I think...I dunno...
 
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that, that's from the Narmer Palette...note the steps up to the little pavilion...it's the same as the icon on wiki's Heb Sed page...in fact wiki has the above pic too...but it pasted too tiny...oh...Dodgers are playing the Brewers...where did I get Mariners...anyway...that little pavilion I've seen before!...
 
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Figure 4. Moche Phase IV scene showing the presentation of captives before an elaborately dressed figure atop ceremonial architecture. Surrounding scenes show splayed bodies, a disembodied head (lower right) and sacrifice-related activities. Drawn from a ceramic vessel in the American Museum of Natural History, New York, courtesy of Donna McClelland 
 
 
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it's thought the Heb Sed festival was a repurposed sacrifice ritual...in the Heb Sed, which happened once every thirty years, Pharaoh had to run a course to prove his virility, and continue as Pharaoh...thought is that beforehand, the reining Pharaoh was sacrificed by the new Pharaoh...a yearly occurrence tied into the seasons...this ritual of one King being killed by a new King is like world wide in the myths...Hollywood's take is the King had to defend his throne in a battle...see MarvelmovieBlackPanther...happens twice in that movie...then there's moviesKingKong...I divert...:)...note the 'steps' up to the pavilion in the Moche illustration...top register has it too...little step thrones...one quarter Inca Crosses....the Moche's Temple of the Moon is a mud/adobe Ziggurat...and looks a lot, I mean a lot, like the Jiroft one...even to being surrounded by the gopher holes the modern looters made...it's not really looting...just disorganized and the profits falling into hands other than governments, and artifacts too...governments loot...one Egyptian dynasty strapped for fund, looted all the old tombs/pyramids...out of respect for the previous Pharaoh's, they gathered them all together in one tomb, without their treasures...temples were 'banks'...treasures kept at them, like on Delos, those moved to Athens, and there eventually spent, or looted by invaders...folk give gifts to temples...so much so, the Egyptians would now and then clean house, and bury some of them...they couldn't sell them, or throw them away...that's how the Narmer palette was found...in a cache under a temple...Kahn academy has a good take on this...Dodgers with another home run...six on the night...Dodgers 16-5...
 
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 Every ruler, elite individual, and anyone else who could afford it, donated items to the temple to show their piety and increase their connection to the deity. After a period of time, the temple would be full of these objects and space would need to be cleared for new votive donations. However, since they had been dedicated to a temple and sanctified, the old items that needed to be cleared out could not simply be thrown away or sold. Instead, the general practice was to bury them in a pit under the temple floor. Often, these caches include objects from a range of dates and a mix of types, from royal statuary to furniture.
 
 
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hmmph...bit like Presidential gifts...Kahn I noted has a take on the Heb Sed...brb..
 
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Just as the earliest stages of this royal symbolism appear on the First Dynasty Narmer palette in the Cairo Museum, where the king defeats enemies in battle and embodies natural powers, so the earliest example of Egyptian monumental architecture, the Third Dynasty Step Pyramid complex of King Djoser, symbolizes the idea of the king's eternal life. Djoser's Heb-Sed courtyard was designed for a ritual emphasizing the regenerative powers of the king as a force of nature and as a divine ruler, ever young and victorious. After his death, the king's funerary complex became a visible paradigm of immortality as the Egyptians imagined it.
 
 
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kind of wordy...well, for sometime setting the Heb Sed side by side with Moche sacrifice ritual...there's something to those bean warriors running around and Pharaoh running...Puig hits a home run...piling on a bit I'd say...Dodgers 21-5...Nationals scored 25 against the Mets earlier this week...there's some neat things on the Narmer Palette...been a thoughtHobby since I first read about it...
 
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Narmer Palette.jpg
 
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I used to know what most of the icons are thought to be...in keeping with the Moche sacrifice victims, this new!, note the beheaded enemies at top left...I don't see the little pavilion with the steps...that pic is captioned 'Narmer palette'...there might be more than one...they have found a lot of palettes...and for sometime how they relate to Sumerian iconography...anyway, what I wanted to note was the curly cue on the headdress, lower Egypt?, a butterflies proboscis?...and the catfish with it's feelers...Narmer's name hieroglyph has a catfish icon...or something...and Bat's/Hathors big ears...big eyes...the senses are being noted!...there's a star...so some star lore involved...there's a lot going on!...top of 8th only...players playing for individual stats now...
 
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The Red Crown frequently is mentioned in texts and depicted in reliefs and statues. An early example is the depiction of the victorious pharaoh wearing the deshret on the Narmer Palette. A label from the reign of Djer records a royal visit to the shrine of the Deshret which may have been located at Buto in the Nile delta.[6]
The fact that no crown has ever been found buried with any of the pharaohs, even in relatively intact tombs, might suggest that it was passed from one regent to the next, much as in present day monarchies.
 
 
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Brewers catcher is pitching...bottom of 8th...one would think a caption telling what the curly cue is would be easy to find!...
 
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It is unfortunate that we don’t know more about the origin of the Red Crown because its form is meant to mimic that of a honey bee with the strange red wire curl representing the bee’s proboscis. 
 
 
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form a beekeeper site...hmmph...here a site thinks the curly cue harks to the Eye of Horus...
 
 
...which is a good get!...Eye of Horus does have a curly cue...not sure the combined crown of Upper and Lower is a turned on it's side Eye of Horus, as author suggests...
 
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Different parts of the Eye of Horus were thought to be used by the ancient Egyptians to represent one divided by the first six powers of two:[15]
The right side of the eye = ​12
The pupil = ​14
The eyebrow = ​18
The left side of the eye = ​116
The curved tail = ​132
The teardrop = ​164
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus
 
 
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a 'curved tail' makes sense...though I am not to be persuaded to abandon my butterfly proboscis!...and, hmmph...thinking on this...it's a fret...Egyptians used a hand made into a fist for a unit of measure...the measure, the one for the square grid...eighteen 'fists' was the height of a human...this proportioned to the hands of the figure depicted...happened to look at my hand made into a fist...a step fret?...knuckle steps and thumb curl/fret...most runs given up by Brewers...Dodgers make to  first place!...meandered a bit filling in from Jiroft to Egyptian...there's more for tomorrowmorrow!
 
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