A text only post, and about history, afield from fauna and flora, sort of...and grim, so dear readers, a caution to read on...
updates, corrections, and miscellaneous stuff!...
(oh!...with google, one can select highlight in blue a bit of text, and it will appear in the google search box above...click on search, or use return...most things here I haven't linked, but one can find them using this method...)
I was about to do this post, and it popped into my head to see if Fellini's Satyricon, the movie, is on youtube...it is...so I watched it, for the first time since I watched it in a theater in New York in Times Square...it was a kind of an afternoon date with a friend's girlfriend, who was a stewardess...before going in the theater, we had no idea what it was about, and after wards, walking to the subway past the porn shops, it was like, 'yep, it was like that back then'...back then being ancient Rome, 100 AD about...and back then being 1969...Satyricon was a Roman novel, one of the first novels ever written to survive from those times...the author was Petronius...something J. said to me has stayed with me all this time...the conversation had turned to her travels, and how I envied them...'the big cities, like Hong Kong...they're all the same...' she told me...
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I haven't been able to find much about Ceres of late...like the string of photos of Pluto and Ceres trickled off...and more, I haven't been able to find any good comment threads...I think everyone is curious about these photos from outer space!...but I finally found a talkabout at the Coast to Coast site last night...the current photos waiting to be shown to the public, are under an embargo by Nature magazine...Nature is going to do a story, and the story has to go through peer reviews first, so Nature has asked NASA to put a hold on talking about and showing pics until the story is ready!...NASA has it that because the space crafts are so far out there, that it's taking time to process the photos...
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My dog Maya's penchant for biting has a self similar condition in human beings...sometimes kids bite, and if after 30 months, a kid is still biting, it is recommended they get help...
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The Pythagorians had a name for the tiniest particle...a Monad...
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Messenger pigeons, doves, show up in three of the flood tales...compare Greece's Deucalion, Sumer's Gilgamesh, and Israel's Noah...a current story is that aborigines in Australia have an oral tradition stretching back over 9,000 years, and that tales of the Ocean rising rapidly back then can still be heard from them...
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Deucalion's ark came to rest upon Mt. Parnassus, on the slopes of which is Delphi...
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On top of Noah's ark was a little cube shaped building...the holy of holies in the Jerusalem Temple was a cube...on Delos, the sanctuary of Apollo was a cube...there's an old story of the Delian Cube...the oracle of Delphi was consulted by those on Delos about a plague...the Delphi oracle told them to double the Cube of Apollo's sanctuary using just ruler and compass...this is a famous mathematical puzzle like squaring the circle...
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one cell divides, and makes just two more identical in size...sometimes in the Valley I would contemplate pine needles...how they are all the same length...and make like globes...I took to stylizing them by drawing a circle with many spokes...
The Bible stories, the parables, and such, are puzzling, and cryptic, because that's how we best learn...by studying puzzles...that, and we just like puzzles!
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The omphalos stones are sometimes thought to be from meteorites...sacred stones are common in old temples as focal points of worship...the Kaabba famously for it's Black Stone...and the Kaabba is a cube!
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Pillars and Trees of Life, which look pillar like, are an ancient motif...the Djad pillar of ancient Egypt one example...likely they represent the axis of the earth...the earth spinning...the circumambulations of worshipers at the Kaabbaa cube a representation too?
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The Dogon had it that thought alone could alter reality...
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I happened on a clip of a tour group around an Egyptian guide who was going on about Tesla and many things...this with the Pyramids in the background...he has it that there are specifically 360 senses!
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the tour groups now traveling around the ancient monuments carry with them the 'fringe' lore of New Agers...they all watch and listen to Coast to Coast it seems!
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chicken embryos get their nourishment from the egg yoke...the egg white is like a cushion protection, and dries up, withers away, as the baby chicken matures...(my sister caught this!)
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I wondered if atoms have a spin, an axis too...and indeed they do...much to study with an 'atom's spin axis' search!
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half of the refugees fleeing the wars in the middle east are children....
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We set out about cock-crow, the moon was shining as bright as midday, and came to where the tombstones are. My man stepped aside amongst them, but I sat down, singing, and commenced to count them up. When I looked around for my companion, he had stripped himself and piled his clothes by the side of the road. My heart was in my mouth, and I sat there while he pissed a ring around them and was suddenly turned into a wolf! Now don't think I'm joking, I wouldn't lie for any amount of money, but as I was saying, he commenced to howl after he was turned into a wolf, and ran away into the forest.
Satyricon
Petronious
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_satyricon2_ghoststory.htm
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DavidDavid
Sunday, September 20, 2015
Saturday, September 19, 2015
Delian League
A text only post, and about history, afield from fauna and flora, sort of...and grim, so dear readers, a caution to read on...
I happened once on a story in National Geographic about an ancient shipwreck off the coast of France...and the old jars, amphora, brought up had a seal on them, a dolphin entwined around an anchor...I forget how I got from there to a mosaic floor on the Island of Delos showing a dolphin around an anchor (maybe it was the same issue?)...it was a Nat Geo story too...we'd saved all our Nat Geos...and at the time, I'd just invested funds in a Mac Plus, a laser printer, a modem, and software like Word, and Aldus Pagemaker...I had in mind to self publish my poems...and soon discovered the modem made the laser printer superfluous!...anyway, the packaging of Pagemaker had the story of the dolphin around the anchor...it is the colophon of Aldus, an early renaissance printer...
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The famous "Dolphin and Anchor" device of Aldus appeared for only the second time in the second state of the 1502 Dante, and was used subsequently in all his editions. It is the symbol of the ancient proverb "Festina lente" (Hurry up slowly) which Aldus had taken as a motto as early as 1499, and seems to have regularly expounded to his friends.
http://www.italnet.nd.edu/Dante/text/1502.venice.aldus.html
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The sequence of reading on the software box about Aldus, finding the shipwreck story, finding the mosaic on Delos, happened like one right after another one afternoon...it gave me goosebumps!....and I've been a fan of the Island of Delos ever since!
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One of the emblems from the mosaic floor in the main reception rooms in the House of the Trident. It depicts an elegant dolphin swimming around an anchor, a symbol frequently encountered on Delos.
http://www.grisel.net/delos.htm
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Not likely I will ever visit the Greek Islands, but I'm having much fun finding the tourists' and archaeologists' and such web pages and youtubes!
Delos, like Delphi, is sacred to Apollo, and here's the legend:
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Hera banned Leto from giving birth on "terra firma", the mainland, any island at sea, or any place under the sun.[19] Antoninus Liberalis is not alone in hinting that Leto came down from the land of the Hyperboreans in the guise of a she-wolf, or that she sought out the "wolf-country" of Lycia, formerly called Tremilis, which she renamed to honour wolves that had befriended her[20] for her denning. Another late source, Aelian, also links Leto with wolves and Hyperboreans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leto
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oh...that version with wolves and Hyperboreans is new to me!...somewhere I have it that the dolphin represents Apollo, and the anchor represents the four pillars that anchor the island in this version...oh...and in reading, it comes back like a dream, about the anchors I mean...and I find they weren't anchors, but rather ingots of iron...
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The members were given a choice of either offering armed forces or paying a tax to the joint treasury; most states chose the tax.[48] League members swore to have the same friends and enemies, and dropped ingots of iron into the sea to symbolize the permanence of their alliance. The ingots of iron were cast into the ocean because the oath the league members swore stipulated that their allegiance would not end, or be otherwise broken, until the iron floated to the surface. In other words, that they had made a pact perceived to be eternal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Delian_League#Delian_League
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The Delian League is, of course, a model for modern NATO...
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The spectacular defeat of the Persians at Salamis in 480 led to the formation of a more permanent alliance. Three years later negotiations, led by Aristides of Athens, began on the Greek island of Delos. The result was the Delian League, a sort of ancient equivalent to NATO.
http://www.pbs.org/empires/thegreeks/background/27.html
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Don't know but the wars in the Middle East now are too an equivalent of the wars back in the Delian League's days!
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Last but not least, enhancing security and stability collectively by forming Alliances has deep roots in Greek culture. Ιn ancient Greece, Athens took the initiative to form the first long lasting Alliance, the Delian League which has frequently been described as having many similarities with modern NATO. Greece, due to her geopolitical position and regional role, her active participation in all international organizations, her initiatives, her bilateral forms of cooperation and her explicit political will for peace, plays an important role in supporting the NATO of the 21st century.
http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2012/turkey-greece/greece-nato-partnership/en/index.htm
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One of the earliest dolphin stories is Homer's 'Hymn to Apollo', which describes how the god Apollo founded the temple at Delphi after a journey which took him all over Greece in search of a suitable site. Eventually he chose a lonely cave nestling at the foot of Mount Parnassos, which was guarded by the dragoness Python, whom he slew with an arrow from his silver bow.
After killing the dragoness, Apollo set off to hijack a Cretan merchant ship, leaping aboard the boat in the guise of a dolphin. Terrified, the crew huddled below deck while the dolphin Apollo directed the winds to blow the ship right around the Greek coast and into the harbour below Delphi. Then, according to Homer's poem, the sun god instructed his hostages to live in the new temple and serve him as priests:And whereas I first, in the misty sea, sprung aboard the swift ship in the guise of a dolphin, therefore pray to me as Apollo Delphinus.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/whales/man/myth.html
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Tomorrowmorrow, updates, corrections, and miscellaneous stuff!...:)
DavidDavid
I happened once on a story in National Geographic about an ancient shipwreck off the coast of France...and the old jars, amphora, brought up had a seal on them, a dolphin entwined around an anchor...I forget how I got from there to a mosaic floor on the Island of Delos showing a dolphin around an anchor (maybe it was the same issue?)...it was a Nat Geo story too...we'd saved all our Nat Geos...and at the time, I'd just invested funds in a Mac Plus, a laser printer, a modem, and software like Word, and Aldus Pagemaker...I had in mind to self publish my poems...and soon discovered the modem made the laser printer superfluous!...anyway, the packaging of Pagemaker had the story of the dolphin around the anchor...it is the colophon of Aldus, an early renaissance printer...
quote
The famous "Dolphin and Anchor" device of Aldus appeared for only the second time in the second state of the 1502 Dante, and was used subsequently in all his editions. It is the symbol of the ancient proverb "Festina lente" (Hurry up slowly) which Aldus had taken as a motto as early as 1499, and seems to have regularly expounded to his friends.
http://www.italnet.nd.edu/Dante/text/1502.venice.aldus.html
unquote
The sequence of reading on the software box about Aldus, finding the shipwreck story, finding the mosaic on Delos, happened like one right after another one afternoon...it gave me goosebumps!....and I've been a fan of the Island of Delos ever since!
quote
One of the emblems from the mosaic floor in the main reception rooms in the House of the Trident. It depicts an elegant dolphin swimming around an anchor, a symbol frequently encountered on Delos.
http://www.grisel.net/delos.htm
unquote
Not likely I will ever visit the Greek Islands, but I'm having much fun finding the tourists' and archaeologists' and such web pages and youtubes!
Delos, like Delphi, is sacred to Apollo, and here's the legend:
quote
Hera banned Leto from giving birth on "terra firma", the mainland, any island at sea, or any place under the sun.[19] Antoninus Liberalis is not alone in hinting that Leto came down from the land of the Hyperboreans in the guise of a she-wolf, or that she sought out the "wolf-country" of Lycia, formerly called Tremilis, which she renamed to honour wolves that had befriended her[20] for her denning. Another late source, Aelian, also links Leto with wolves and Hyperboreans:
Wolves are not easily delivered of their young, only after twelve days and twelve nights, for the people of Delos maintain that this was the length of time that it took Leto to travel from the Hyperboreoi to Delos."[21]Most accounts agree that she found the barren floating island of Delos, still bearing its archaic name of Asterios, which was neither mainland nor a real island, and gave birth there, promising the island wealth from the worshippers who would flock to the obscure birthplace of the splendid god who was to come. The island was surrounded by swans. As a gesture of gratitude, Delos was secured with four pillars and later became sacred to Apollo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leto
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oh...that version with wolves and Hyperboreans is new to me!...somewhere I have it that the dolphin represents Apollo, and the anchor represents the four pillars that anchor the island in this version...oh...and in reading, it comes back like a dream, about the anchors I mean...and I find they weren't anchors, but rather ingots of iron...
quote
The members were given a choice of either offering armed forces or paying a tax to the joint treasury; most states chose the tax.[48] League members swore to have the same friends and enemies, and dropped ingots of iron into the sea to symbolize the permanence of their alliance. The ingots of iron were cast into the ocean because the oath the league members swore stipulated that their allegiance would not end, or be otherwise broken, until the iron floated to the surface. In other words, that they had made a pact perceived to be eternal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Delian_League#Delian_League
unquote
The Delian League is, of course, a model for modern NATO...
quote
The spectacular defeat of the Persians at Salamis in 480 led to the formation of a more permanent alliance. Three years later negotiations, led by Aristides of Athens, began on the Greek island of Delos. The result was the Delian League, a sort of ancient equivalent to NATO.
http://www.pbs.org/empires/thegreeks/background/27.html
unquote
Don't know but the wars in the Middle East now are too an equivalent of the wars back in the Delian League's days!
quote
Last but not least, enhancing security and stability collectively by forming Alliances has deep roots in Greek culture. Ιn ancient Greece, Athens took the initiative to form the first long lasting Alliance, the Delian League which has frequently been described as having many similarities with modern NATO. Greece, due to her geopolitical position and regional role, her active participation in all international organizations, her initiatives, her bilateral forms of cooperation and her explicit political will for peace, plays an important role in supporting the NATO of the 21st century.
http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2012/turkey-greece/greece-nato-partnership/en/index.htm
unquote
quote
One of the earliest dolphin stories is Homer's 'Hymn to Apollo', which describes how the god Apollo founded the temple at Delphi after a journey which took him all over Greece in search of a suitable site. Eventually he chose a lonely cave nestling at the foot of Mount Parnassos, which was guarded by the dragoness Python, whom he slew with an arrow from his silver bow.
After killing the dragoness, Apollo set off to hijack a Cretan merchant ship, leaping aboard the boat in the guise of a dolphin. Terrified, the crew huddled below deck while the dolphin Apollo directed the winds to blow the ship right around the Greek coast and into the harbour below Delphi. Then, according to Homer's poem, the sun god instructed his hostages to live in the new temple and serve him as priests:And whereas I first, in the misty sea, sprung aboard the swift ship in the guise of a dolphin, therefore pray to me as Apollo Delphinus.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/whales/man/myth.html
unquote
Tomorrowmorrow, updates, corrections, and miscellaneous stuff!...:)
DavidDavid
Friday, September 18, 2015
Omphalos
A text only post, and about history, afield from fauna and flora, sort of...and grim, so dear readers, a caution to read on...
So, so, I was gathering quarters for the laundry from the five gallon bucket in the garage, and looked about the dishevelment for a book to take along, and sighted...The Mystery of the Oracles by Philip Vandendberg...having left off yesterday's post with mention of Pausanias and the Omphalos Stone at Delphi, at the Laundry Mat I opened the book to page 100, the chapter on Delphi...and since have been reading the book, and looking about the web...
I've read before about the Omphalos Stone...cultures all over the world have them...the Omphalos at Delphi is sometimes portrayed with two Eagles...
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In early historical times, people thought the world was a disc surrounded by the ocean, and that the omphalos, or navel, was the middle point of the disc. In order to find the middle point, Zeus had sent out two eagles.
p136
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Reprinted in "Fanciers journal and Poultry Exchange (Philadelphia), 1874, vol. 1 page 117 and 118.
"The Egyptian spend much time on pigeons. As you go by rail to Cairo, and as you ascend the river, you are never out of site of a mud-built village. The only story that is raised above the ground floor is the Dovecote. This, therefore is the only object in the village, which attracts the eye of the passer-by. In the Delta the fashion appears to be to raise a
mud tower full of earthenware pots for the pigeons to breed in. These are inserted-of course, lying horizontally in the mud, which the tower is built.
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From the summit of the Prophylaea of the grand ptolemaic temple of Edfou, I counted about forty of these dovecotes. The number of domestic pigeons in Egypt must be of several times as great as that of the population.
I...I hadn't thought to find that...was just looking for how the ancient Egyptians used pigeons for surveying, or something like that...the omphalos stone in ancient Egypt is depicted with two pigeons, or birds, perched on either side...the omphalos in Delphi with two eagles, and omphalos stones often show a netting over them...which in a way resembles the openings in these dovecotes!...omphalos are much studied and thought upon, even in ancient times, and just what they are is something of a mystery...
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Hundreds of ancient columbaria have been found in Israel, a few dozens of them in and around the city of Jerusalem. Most of them were built in manmade caves. The others were built above the ground in the form of towers. These were found in the City of David, Jericho, Masada, Herodium and in other cities in Israel, dating back to the Hellenistic and early Roman periods.
http://www.wysinfo.com/Pigeons/History_of_pigeons_doves.htm
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Scenes of measurement in the fields have been found on tomb walls, such as the picture of a surveyor checking a boundary stone in Fig. 2, found in a Theban tomb.
http://www.sage.unsw.edu.au/currentstudents/ug/projects/salmon/salmon.htm
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In the ancient picture the Egyptian is leaning over a short column like stone with a round oval top, much like an omphalos.
Oh...found it...read it a long time ago in the Mysteries of the Great Pyramid book by Tompkins, and here it is quoted in the Sirius book--a re-visit!
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In Plate 12 the reader may see for himself the surviving omphalos stones of Delphi and of Delos86 - both of which are spread with 'nets' representing a latitudinal and longitudinal geodetic mesh.26 It is this mesh which is probably carried at all times by Oannes (see Plates 6, 7, 8 and 9) as a 'basket'.
The Oracle Centers
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/universo/siriusmystery/siriusmystery06.htm
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It was a good trick...the priests at Delphi were getting information from all over the world secretly with the pigeons, and when Kings and such came to Delphi for oracular advice, they could come up with answers based on their pre-knowledge...
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I am informed that carrier-pigeons could fly from Thebes to Dodona in about a day. To travel such a distance oneself by sea and land would take months. Daily communication between the Egyptian religious centre of Thebes and all its oracle 'colonies' would have been transacted by the very carrier-pigeons whom we see plainly depicted on omphalos stones by both Greek (see Plate 12) and Egyptian (see additionally Figure 24) representations and documented clearly by Herodotus.
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The last oracle to be made at Delphi was to Julian the Apostate, the self same Roman ruler that attempted to re-build the Temple at Jerusalem, but was thwarted by earthquake and flames erupting from the ground...
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So, so, I was gathering quarters for the laundry from the five gallon bucket in the garage, and looked about the dishevelment for a book to take along, and sighted...The Mystery of the Oracles by Philip Vandendberg...having left off yesterday's post with mention of Pausanias and the Omphalos Stone at Delphi, at the Laundry Mat I opened the book to page 100, the chapter on Delphi...and since have been reading the book, and looking about the web...
I've read before about the Omphalos Stone...cultures all over the world have them...the Omphalos at Delphi is sometimes portrayed with two Eagles...
quote
In early historical times, people thought the world was a disc surrounded by the ocean, and that the omphalos, or navel, was the middle point of the disc. In order to find the middle point, Zeus had sent out two eagles.
p136
unquote
quote
Reprinted in "Fanciers journal and Poultry Exchange (Philadelphia), 1874, vol. 1 page 117 and 118.
"The Egyptian spend much time on pigeons. As you go by rail to Cairo, and as you ascend the river, you are never out of site of a mud-built village. The only story that is raised above the ground floor is the Dovecote. This, therefore is the only object in the village, which attracts the eye of the passer-by. In the Delta the fashion appears to be to raise a
mud tower full of earthenware pots for the pigeons to breed in. These are inserted-of course, lying horizontally in the mud, which the tower is built.
... ... ...
From the summit of the Prophylaea of the grand ptolemaic temple of Edfou, I counted about forty of these dovecotes. The number of domestic pigeons in Egypt must be of several times as great as that of the population.
Pigeons in Ancient Egypt
Condensed by Adel Salem
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I...I hadn't thought to find that...was just looking for how the ancient Egyptians used pigeons for surveying, or something like that...the omphalos stone in ancient Egypt is depicted with two pigeons, or birds, perched on either side...the omphalos in Delphi with two eagles, and omphalos stones often show a netting over them...which in a way resembles the openings in these dovecotes!...omphalos are much studied and thought upon, even in ancient times, and just what they are is something of a mystery...
quote
Hundreds of ancient columbaria have been found in Israel, a few dozens of them in and around the city of Jerusalem. Most of them were built in manmade caves. The others were built above the ground in the form of towers. These were found in the City of David, Jericho, Masada, Herodium and in other cities in Israel, dating back to the Hellenistic and early Roman periods.
http://www.wysinfo.com/Pigeons/History_of_pigeons_doves.htm
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Scenes of measurement in the fields have been found on tomb walls, such as the picture of a surveyor checking a boundary stone in Fig. 2, found in a Theban tomb.
http://www.sage.unsw.edu.au/currentstudents/ug/projects/salmon/salmon.htm
unquote
In the ancient picture the Egyptian is leaning over a short column like stone with a round oval top, much like an omphalos.
Oh...found it...read it a long time ago in the Mysteries of the Great Pyramid book by Tompkins, and here it is quoted in the Sirius book--a re-visit!
quote
In Plate 12 the reader may see for himself the surviving omphalos stones of Delphi and of Delos86 - both of which are spread with 'nets' representing a latitudinal and longitudinal geodetic mesh.26 It is this mesh which is probably carried at all times by Oannes (see Plates 6, 7, 8 and 9) as a 'basket'.
For the 'warp and woof of the sacred basket of Oannes/Dagon - surviving as the lyknos basket of Greek Demeter (who succeeded the Philistine fish-tailed Dagon as agricultural deity, keeping Dagon's 'basket') - represent perfectly the warp and woof of latitude and longitude. The Dogon have traditions of the religious and mythological importance of 'warp and woof in weaving, and of sacred baskets 'which are not baskets', all of which may be found described in many places in Le Renard Pale.
In Plate 12 the reader may see the omphalos stone found by Reisner in the great temple of Amon at Thebes in Egypt. This stone was placed in the main room of the temple where the meridian and parallel actually cross.2' In Figure 23 is a reproduction of a figure from an Egyptian papyrus of omphalos stones
with two doves perched on top. These two doves are the standard glyph meaning 'to lay out parallels and meridians'.28 They are the 'two doves' who flew to Dodona from Thebes according to the account of Herodotus.2' Of course, the two doves are in fact carrier-pigeons. To keep in touch over such enormous distances, and to maintain prompt communication between oracle-centers which was essential to the successful operation of a coherent 'world-wide' religious network spread over thousand of miles, the only available means were carrier-pigeons.
In Plate 12 the reader may see the omphalos stone found by Reisner in the great temple of Amon at Thebes in Egypt. This stone was placed in the main room of the temple where the meridian and parallel actually cross.2' In Figure 23 is a reproduction of a figure from an Egyptian papyrus of omphalos stones
with two doves perched on top. These two doves are the standard glyph meaning 'to lay out parallels and meridians'.28 They are the 'two doves' who flew to Dodona from Thebes according to the account of Herodotus.2' Of course, the two doves are in fact carrier-pigeons. To keep in touch over such enormous distances, and to maintain prompt communication between oracle-centers which was essential to the successful operation of a coherent 'world-wide' religious network spread over thousand of miles, the only available means were carrier-pigeons.
The Oracle Centers
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/universo/siriusmystery/siriusmystery06.htm
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It was a good trick...the priests at Delphi were getting information from all over the world secretly with the pigeons, and when Kings and such came to Delphi for oracular advice, they could come up with answers based on their pre-knowledge...
quote
I am informed that carrier-pigeons could fly from Thebes to Dodona in about a day. To travel such a distance oneself by sea and land would take months. Daily communication between the Egyptian religious centre of Thebes and all its oracle 'colonies' would have been transacted by the very carrier-pigeons whom we see plainly depicted on omphalos stones by both Greek (see Plate 12) and Egyptian (see additionally Figure 24) representations and documented clearly by Herodotus.
Also, I should imagine such instantaneous 'news coverage' would surreptitiously find its way into the oracular pronouncements at the various centers and exercise a considerable political influence. For after all, there was hardly a king or potentate anywhere in the ancient world who would disregard an oracular order 'from the gods'. Probably the political forces were totally ignorant of the 'hot news line' ticking away secretly in the local oracle centre's temple complex.
The Sirius Mysteryunquote
The last oracle to be made at Delphi was to Julian the Apostate, the self same Roman ruler that attempted to re-build the Temple at Jerusalem, but was thwarted by earthquake and flames erupting from the ground...
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The Oracle of Apollo at Delphi dates back to 1400 BC. Julian the Apostate (331/332– - 26 June 363), a Roman emperor, tried to revive classical Greek culture in the mid 4-th century AD. He is said to have consulted the Oracle of Delphi. The Pythia responded with the following oracle:
Tell to the king that the carven hall is fallen in decay;
Apollo has no chapel left, no prophesying bay,
No talking spring. The stream is dry that had so much to say.
Apollo has no chapel left, no prophesying bay,
No talking spring. The stream is dry that had so much to say.
And that site has this too...I didn't know Delphi is a word for Dolphin!
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...and in as much as at the first on the hazy sea
I sprang upon the swift ship in the form of a dolphin,
pray to me as Apollo Delphinius; also the altar itself
shall be called Delphinius and overlooking for ever.
Homer, To Apollo (probably a work of some other poet )
I sprang upon the swift ship in the form of a dolphin,
pray to me as Apollo Delphinius; also the altar itself
shall be called Delphinius and overlooking for ever.
Homer, To Apollo (probably a work of some other poet )
unquote
Here is link to clip on youtube I found about Delphi...it is very good!
Delphi: The Bellybutton of the Ancient World
Next: ... the Island of Delos...
DavidDavid
Thursday, September 17, 2015
It's Thursday...
A text only post, and about history, afield from fauna and flora, sort of...and grim, so dear readers, a caution to read on...
quote (from me)
I never thought of it as such, but the mind's eye can be considered another sense, just like hearing, and taste, and touch, and sight, and such...and a study just came out that finds some people don't have a mind's eye...Tesla had an exceptional mind's eye...I consider my own average...there's probably a range to this, like acuity in eyesight...
from post Trial and Error
unquote
After I wrote that, and kept seeing it as I looked for miss spellings in the post, I wondered about what I was saying there more and more...the 'sense' of what I'm saying is that we develop senses much as we develop bone and flesh and muscle and nerves and such...and a wonder is how many senses are there?...millions and millions I imagine, an infinitude, but that's for another post!...
Looking, trying to imagine, how cells diverge into becoming bone and flesh and muscle and nerve cells, I looked about and found some takes on what happens in a chicken egg...the chicken grows in the yellow yoke, and the surrounding white part provides nourishment...and I got the impression that all of the yoke cells were undifferentieated to start, they hadn't decided yet what to be, a beak cell or a wing cell or a foot cell and such...and I likely have that wrong...but I imagine that in the yoke, something calls out to all the cells, and they all at once begin to go their separate ways...
"cells split and say c u when I get there...'
well, that's dumb...but...brb...
oh!...wait...a diversion...a search for 'omphalos' brought this up!
quote
Chateaubriand wrote in his 1802 book, Génie du christianisme (Part I Book IV Chapter V): "God might have created, and doubtless did create, the world with all the marks of antiquity and completeness which it now exhibits." Rabbi Dovid Gottlieb supports a similar position, arguing further that the evidence for an old universe[4] is strong: "The bones, artifacts, partially decayed radium, potassium-argon, uranium, the red-shifted light from space, etc.– all of it points to a greater age which nevertheless is not true."
... ... ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis
unquote
Or Groundhogdayism!...that is an idea that is very old...and for a post sometime...and it is very new too, experienced as it is by everyone playing video game WOW, (World of Warcraft), and such...
oh!...wait...another diversion!
quote
Odoacer understood full well that something had come to an end: he declared himself king of Italy, and sent the imperial regalia of the Western empire to Constantinople. The pretense of Western unity was abandoned. Europe would now become a continent of barbarian kingdoms — in embryo, the Europe of nation-states that exists today.
unquote
author is suggesting that the barbarians were a precursor to 'unbarbaric' citizens of nation states...somewhere I have it that the Italian City States of the Renaissance were 'embryos' to Nation States, and Napoloen had a hand in that!...author covers a lot of ground, and I was trying to find his take on the 'omphalos syndrome', something I've never heard of, but come across searching for omphalos!
quote
The Omphalos Syndrome
Something happens to imperial capitals, something psychological and, over time, corrosive and incapacitating. It happens when the conviction takes hold that the capital is the source and focal point of reality — that nothing is more important than what happens there, and that no ideas or perceptions are more important than those of its elites.
Excerpt: 'Are We Rome?: The Fall of an Empire and the Fate of America'
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11074833
unquote
Ompahlos is another word for navel, our belly buttons...there's a long running debate...centuries old...about if Adam and Eve had belly buttons!...the Omphalos Syndrome is the sense a Nation has that they are the center of everything...
quote
The omphalos at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem, represents, in Christian mediaeval tradition, the navel of the world (the spiritual and cosmological centre of the world).[5] Jewish tradition held that God revealed himself to His people through the Ark of the Covenant in the Temple in Jerusalem, which rested on the Foundation stone marking the centre of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos
un quote
Omphalos stones look like eggs...
quote
This egg-shaped stone—the very stone described by the Greek writer Pausanias, who visited Delphi in the second century A.D.
Read more: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/omphalos.php#ixzz3m2IxJMId
unquote
and Omphalos stones look like bee hives...
quote
To the ancient Greeks, the Omphalos was a stone carved in the shape of a beehive, in this instance covered with a net-like pattern of chains, marking the birthplace of the Cosmos.
http://symboldictionary.net/?p=3271
unquote
It's Thursday, and I need to go to the Laundry Mat, and while at that task, contemplate...bbl...:)
DavidDavid
quote (from me)
I never thought of it as such, but the mind's eye can be considered another sense, just like hearing, and taste, and touch, and sight, and such...and a study just came out that finds some people don't have a mind's eye...Tesla had an exceptional mind's eye...I consider my own average...there's probably a range to this, like acuity in eyesight...
from post Trial and Error
unquote
After I wrote that, and kept seeing it as I looked for miss spellings in the post, I wondered about what I was saying there more and more...the 'sense' of what I'm saying is that we develop senses much as we develop bone and flesh and muscle and nerves and such...and a wonder is how many senses are there?...millions and millions I imagine, an infinitude, but that's for another post!...
Looking, trying to imagine, how cells diverge into becoming bone and flesh and muscle and nerve cells, I looked about and found some takes on what happens in a chicken egg...the chicken grows in the yellow yoke, and the surrounding white part provides nourishment...and I got the impression that all of the yoke cells were undifferentieated to start, they hadn't decided yet what to be, a beak cell or a wing cell or a foot cell and such...and I likely have that wrong...but I imagine that in the yoke, something calls out to all the cells, and they all at once begin to go their separate ways...
"cells split and say c u when I get there...'
well, that's dumb...but...brb...
oh!...wait...a diversion...a search for 'omphalos' brought this up!
quote
Chateaubriand wrote in his 1802 book, Génie du christianisme (Part I Book IV Chapter V): "God might have created, and doubtless did create, the world with all the marks of antiquity and completeness which it now exhibits." Rabbi Dovid Gottlieb supports a similar position, arguing further that the evidence for an old universe[4] is strong: "The bones, artifacts, partially decayed radium, potassium-argon, uranium, the red-shifted light from space, etc.– all of it points to a greater age which nevertheless is not true."
... ... ...
Though Gosse's original Omphalos hypothesis specifies a popular creation story, others have proposed that the idea does not preclude creation as recently as five minutes ago, including memories of times before this created in situ.[8] This idea is sometimes called "Last Thursdayism" by its opponents, as in "the world might as well have been created last Thursday."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis
unquote
Or Groundhogdayism!...that is an idea that is very old...and for a post sometime...and it is very new too, experienced as it is by everyone playing video game WOW, (World of Warcraft), and such...
oh!...wait...another diversion!
quote
Odoacer understood full well that something had come to an end: he declared himself king of Italy, and sent the imperial regalia of the Western empire to Constantinople. The pretense of Western unity was abandoned. Europe would now become a continent of barbarian kingdoms — in embryo, the Europe of nation-states that exists today.
unquote
author is suggesting that the barbarians were a precursor to 'unbarbaric' citizens of nation states...somewhere I have it that the Italian City States of the Renaissance were 'embryos' to Nation States, and Napoloen had a hand in that!...author covers a lot of ground, and I was trying to find his take on the 'omphalos syndrome', something I've never heard of, but come across searching for omphalos!
quote
The Omphalos Syndrome
Something happens to imperial capitals, something psychological and, over time, corrosive and incapacitating. It happens when the conviction takes hold that the capital is the source and focal point of reality — that nothing is more important than what happens there, and that no ideas or perceptions are more important than those of its elites.
Excerpt: 'Are We Rome?: The Fall of an Empire and the Fate of America'
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11074833
unquote
Ompahlos is another word for navel, our belly buttons...there's a long running debate...centuries old...about if Adam and Eve had belly buttons!...the Omphalos Syndrome is the sense a Nation has that they are the center of everything...
quote
The omphalos at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem, represents, in Christian mediaeval tradition, the navel of the world (the spiritual and cosmological centre of the world).[5] Jewish tradition held that God revealed himself to His people through the Ark of the Covenant in the Temple in Jerusalem, which rested on the Foundation stone marking the centre of the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos
un quote
Omphalos stones look like eggs...
quote
This egg-shaped stone—the very stone described by the Greek writer Pausanias, who visited Delphi in the second century A.D.
Read more: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/omphalos.php#ixzz3m2IxJMId
unquote
and Omphalos stones look like bee hives...
quote
To the ancient Greeks, the Omphalos was a stone carved in the shape of a beehive, in this instance covered with a net-like pattern of chains, marking the birthplace of the Cosmos.
http://symboldictionary.net/?p=3271
unquote
It's Thursday, and I need to go to the Laundry Mat, and while at that task, contemplate...bbl...:)
DavidDavid
Wednesday, September 16, 2015
Woe Betide
A text only post, and about history, afield from fauna and flora, sort of...and grim, so dear readers, a caution to read on...
'Oh woe betide, if it makes sense...'
Well, that popped into my head, thinking on 'a sense of sense' to add to the list of senses (see yesterday's post)...and I guess what makes 'sense of sense' when we talk is our 'sense of grammar'!
quote
comment above is of interest too. I am also conscious that there are two senses in which woe betide is used. 1. May woe betide him if he harms anyone i.e. as a threat. and 2. Woe betide you if you cross the old sod i.e be careful
(from a discussion of the meaning and sense of 'woe betide')
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/189171/how-does-one-parse-woe-betide
unquote
It's not a phrase I use, and I find it is archaic, so not many use it, but I see it often enough to have a sense of it!...and thinking about the dust ups in Greece, 'woe betide' kind of came to mind...
and now there is another word I just see that maybe I can use here in the post...'parse'...brb...one meaning of parse is to 'examine in a minute way'...that's fine!...in the Pearls in the Dirac Sea post, this caught my eye...
quote
64 is the number of cells we have before our cells start to bifurcate (differentiate) shortly after conception.
unquote
I've tried to examine that, and apparently something happens when cell division reaches eight...the cells in their further division begin to differentiate, bifurcate, into bone cells, skin cells, muscle cells, etc...for just a brief time, cells are like all alike with no set purpose...oh!...wait...that might be what stem cells are!...brb...
quote
In a developing embryo, stem cells can differentiate into all the specialized cells
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell
unquote
I've never had a career, I didn't bifurcate in school, so to speak, I didn't specialize in one field or skill and become professionally accomplished...so when in a job interview, I'm kind of at a loss...I could write in the 'career' box, 'poet', but that's problematic...
quote
there's no money in poetry
and no poetry in money
Robert Graves
unquote
well, let me 'parse' 'stem'...
quote
STEM is an acronym referring to the academic disciplines of science[note 1], technology, engineering, and mathematics.[1] The term is typically used when addressing education policy and curriculum choices in schools to improve competitiveness in science and technology development. It has implications for workforce development, national security concerns and immigration policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STEM_fields
unquote
lol...finding that is a surprise!...on career day in grammar school I wanted to be an 'aeronautical engineer'...the push at the time, late 1950s, early 1960's was to get the schools to turn out engineers...by college I was still being encouraged to be an engineer...it's where the money was...but by then I was an English major...back to 'stem'...brb
quote
From President Obama on down, public officials have cautioned against pursuing degrees like art history, which are seen as expensive luxuries in today’s world. Republicans want to go several steps further and defund these kinds of majors.
Why America’s obsession with STEM education is dangerous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-stem-wont-make-us-successful/2015/03/26/5f4604f2-d2a5-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html
unquote
a woe betide to be sure...
but I'm just looking for a definition of stem!...brb...
one meaning of stem is 'originate in or be caused by'
quote
Two roads diverged in a wood...
Robert Frost
unquote
I don't know what happens, what makes people go this way or that way...but it has something to do with being bitten as I tried to lay out in my Byte post(Pearls in the Dirac Sea)...
(logging off in chat in wow last night, I had caps locked on, and miss typed BITE for nite...sometimes things are just accidents!)
quote
Pipili, among the female politicians the extremists have publicly targeted – with Golden Dawn MPs hurling abuse at her in parliament and party cadres hounding her outside her country home – is sure of something else: Greece’s frontline role in Europe’s refugee crisis is also emboldening the neo-Nazi group. “They have been inflamed by what many saw as provocative immigration policies under the leftists and all these desperate people arriving every day,” she says.
... ... ...
In a nation still haunted by memories of brutal occupation under the Third Reich, the entire political spectrum has pledged it will not allow Golden Dawn to have such a role. “A lot of people are praying it is the socialist Pasok and not the fascists who come third,” Pipili said.
Greek election 2015: Golden Dawn rises on austerity-driven despair
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/16/greek-election-2015-golden-dawn-austerity
unquote
Reading 'brutal occupation' in that story during my morning news review, I recalled this story I'd read the night before...
quote
When 28 civilians were killed in Athens, it wasn’t the Nazis who were to blame, it was the British. Ed Vulliamy and Helena Smith reveal how Churchill’s shameful decision to turn on the partisans who had fought on our side in the war sowed the seeds for the rise of the far right in Greece today
Athens 1944: Britain’s dirty secret
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret
unquote
The Germans anticipating defeat in WW2, came up with an end game...
quote
Werwolf (pronounced [ˈveːɐ̯vɔlf], German for "werewolf") was the name given to a Nazi plan, which began development in 1944,[2] to create a resistance force which would operate behind enemy lines as the Allies advanced through Germany. However Werwolf's propaganda value far outweighed its actual achievements.
... ... ...
The history of Werwolf was compared to the Iraqi insurgency by the Bush Administration and other Iraq War supporters.[63][64] In speeches given on August 25, 2003 to the Veterans of Foreign Wars by National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld parallels were drawn between the problems faced by the coalition's occupation forces in Iraq to those encountered by occupation forces in post-World War II Germany, asserting that the Iraqi insurgency would ultimately prove to be as futile in realizing its objectives as had the Werwolfs.[65]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf
unquote
The movie Exodus is a long movie, and covers a lot of ground...and there are glimpses of things in it...that the British had a camp for Jews on Cypress is self similar to the prison camps they made for the leftist partisans in Greece...that they enlisted the Greeks who had fought for the Germans during the German occupation, to fight the leftist Greeks after Germany's defeat was a political tactic to keep Russia out of Greece...Europe was being divided up, and Churchill wanted Greece to be in the Western half...to further their ends, the British had to make prison camps not unlike the prison camps of the Germans...they even used the same Greeks the Germans had used to maintain the German camps!...it's a tangle...another scene in Exodus has a German arrive in the Arab village, and tell the Arab leader, the child hood friend of Paul Newman, to prepare to do battle with the Jews (Newman, wounded, is being concealed in another room)...the German is a cohort of the Grand Mufti...
quote
In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
unquote
The German in Exodus looks like one out of the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark...and one might ask, how is he active in Israel/Palestine in 1947?!...answer is the Germans of the Reich dispersed, shopping their skills and experience to other countries...German scientists came to the United States under Operation Paperclip, some went to Russia, both were supplied with captured V2 missiles to continue experimenting with...some similar German rocket scientists went to Egypt, but were driven out by the efforts of the Mossad...
quote
Operation Damocles was a covert campaign of the Israeli Mossad in August 1962 targeting German scientists and technicians, formerly employed in Nazi Germany's rocket program, who were developing rockets for Egypt at a military site known as Factory 333. According to Otto Joklik, an Austrian scientist involved with the project, the rockets being developed were programmed to use a radioactive waste.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Damocles
unquote
wiki's truncated quote is from this book:
bit is in pdf, so I can't copy...
and I've lost my sense of what I was about, my train of thought...it's something to do with chicken egg yokes and bees...for tomorrowmorrow!
DavidDavid
'Oh woe betide, if it makes sense...'
Well, that popped into my head, thinking on 'a sense of sense' to add to the list of senses (see yesterday's post)...and I guess what makes 'sense of sense' when we talk is our 'sense of grammar'!
quote
comment above is of interest too. I am also conscious that there are two senses in which woe betide is used. 1. May woe betide him if he harms anyone i.e. as a threat. and 2. Woe betide you if you cross the old sod i.e be careful
(from a discussion of the meaning and sense of 'woe betide')
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/189171/how-does-one-parse-woe-betide
unquote
It's not a phrase I use, and I find it is archaic, so not many use it, but I see it often enough to have a sense of it!...and thinking about the dust ups in Greece, 'woe betide' kind of came to mind...
and now there is another word I just see that maybe I can use here in the post...'parse'...brb...one meaning of parse is to 'examine in a minute way'...that's fine!...in the Pearls in the Dirac Sea post, this caught my eye...
quote
64 is the number of cells we have before our cells start to bifurcate (differentiate) shortly after conception.
unquote
I've tried to examine that, and apparently something happens when cell division reaches eight...the cells in their further division begin to differentiate, bifurcate, into bone cells, skin cells, muscle cells, etc...for just a brief time, cells are like all alike with no set purpose...oh!...wait...that might be what stem cells are!...brb...
quote
In a developing embryo, stem cells can differentiate into all the specialized cells
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell
unquote
I've never had a career, I didn't bifurcate in school, so to speak, I didn't specialize in one field or skill and become professionally accomplished...so when in a job interview, I'm kind of at a loss...I could write in the 'career' box, 'poet', but that's problematic...
quote
there's no money in poetry
and no poetry in money
Robert Graves
unquote
well, let me 'parse' 'stem'...
quote
STEM is an acronym referring to the academic disciplines of science[note 1], technology, engineering, and mathematics.[1] The term is typically used when addressing education policy and curriculum choices in schools to improve competitiveness in science and technology development. It has implications for workforce development, national security concerns and immigration policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STEM_fields
unquote
lol...finding that is a surprise!...on career day in grammar school I wanted to be an 'aeronautical engineer'...the push at the time, late 1950s, early 1960's was to get the schools to turn out engineers...by college I was still being encouraged to be an engineer...it's where the money was...but by then I was an English major...back to 'stem'...brb
quote
From President Obama on down, public officials have cautioned against pursuing degrees like art history, which are seen as expensive luxuries in today’s world. Republicans want to go several steps further and defund these kinds of majors.
Why America’s obsession with STEM education is dangerous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-stem-wont-make-us-successful/2015/03/26/5f4604f2-d2a5-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html
unquote
a woe betide to be sure...
but I'm just looking for a definition of stem!...brb...
one meaning of stem is 'originate in or be caused by'
quote
Two roads diverged in a wood...
Robert Frost
unquote
I don't know what happens, what makes people go this way or that way...but it has something to do with being bitten as I tried to lay out in my Byte post(Pearls in the Dirac Sea)...
(logging off in chat in wow last night, I had caps locked on, and miss typed BITE for nite...sometimes things are just accidents!)
quote
Pipili, among the female politicians the extremists have publicly targeted – with Golden Dawn MPs hurling abuse at her in parliament and party cadres hounding her outside her country home – is sure of something else: Greece’s frontline role in Europe’s refugee crisis is also emboldening the neo-Nazi group. “They have been inflamed by what many saw as provocative immigration policies under the leftists and all these desperate people arriving every day,” she says.
... ... ...
In a nation still haunted by memories of brutal occupation under the Third Reich, the entire political spectrum has pledged it will not allow Golden Dawn to have such a role. “A lot of people are praying it is the socialist Pasok and not the fascists who come third,” Pipili said.
Greek election 2015: Golden Dawn rises on austerity-driven despair
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/16/greek-election-2015-golden-dawn-austerity
unquote
Reading 'brutal occupation' in that story during my morning news review, I recalled this story I'd read the night before...
quote
When 28 civilians were killed in Athens, it wasn’t the Nazis who were to blame, it was the British. Ed Vulliamy and Helena Smith reveal how Churchill’s shameful decision to turn on the partisans who had fought on our side in the war sowed the seeds for the rise of the far right in Greece today
Athens 1944: Britain’s dirty secret
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret
unquote
The Germans anticipating defeat in WW2, came up with an end game...
quote
Werwolf (pronounced [ˈveːɐ̯vɔlf], German for "werewolf") was the name given to a Nazi plan, which began development in 1944,[2] to create a resistance force which would operate behind enemy lines as the Allies advanced through Germany. However Werwolf's propaganda value far outweighed its actual achievements.
... ... ...
The history of Werwolf was compared to the Iraqi insurgency by the Bush Administration and other Iraq War supporters.[63][64] In speeches given on August 25, 2003 to the Veterans of Foreign Wars by National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld parallels were drawn between the problems faced by the coalition's occupation forces in Iraq to those encountered by occupation forces in post-World War II Germany, asserting that the Iraqi insurgency would ultimately prove to be as futile in realizing its objectives as had the Werwolfs.[65]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf
unquote
The movie Exodus is a long movie, and covers a lot of ground...and there are glimpses of things in it...that the British had a camp for Jews on Cypress is self similar to the prison camps they made for the leftist partisans in Greece...that they enlisted the Greeks who had fought for the Germans during the German occupation, to fight the leftist Greeks after Germany's defeat was a political tactic to keep Russia out of Greece...Europe was being divided up, and Churchill wanted Greece to be in the Western half...to further their ends, the British had to make prison camps not unlike the prison camps of the Germans...they even used the same Greeks the Germans had used to maintain the German camps!...it's a tangle...another scene in Exodus has a German arrive in the Arab village, and tell the Arab leader, the child hood friend of Paul Newman, to prepare to do battle with the Jews (Newman, wounded, is being concealed in another room)...the German is a cohort of the Grand Mufti...
quote
In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
unquote
The German in Exodus looks like one out of the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark...and one might ask, how is he active in Israel/Palestine in 1947?!...answer is the Germans of the Reich dispersed, shopping their skills and experience to other countries...German scientists came to the United States under Operation Paperclip, some went to Russia, both were supplied with captured V2 missiles to continue experimenting with...some similar German rocket scientists went to Egypt, but were driven out by the efforts of the Mossad...
quote
Operation Damocles was a covert campaign of the Israeli Mossad in August 1962 targeting German scientists and technicians, formerly employed in Nazi Germany's rocket program, who were developing rockets for Egypt at a military site known as Factory 333. According to Otto Joklik, an Austrian scientist involved with the project, the rockets being developed were programmed to use a radioactive waste.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Damocles
unquote
wiki's truncated quote is from this book:
Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East
By Barry Rubin, Wolfgang G. Schwanitz....bit is in pdf, so I can't copy...
and I've lost my sense of what I was about, my train of thought...it's something to do with chicken egg yokes and bees...for tomorrowmorrow!
DavidDavid
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