We may accept that the in the oldest temples the columns were of wood. To form the transition between the column and the entablature a simple cushionlike element was inserted. This became the Doric capital.
We have traced the story of the foundation of the Ionian colonies by the fleeing remnants of the Mycenaean populations [36ff], of their early contacts with the native peoples of Phrygia, Mysia, Lydia, and Lycia, and of the colonies which they in turn, as they increased in power, sent off to other parts of the Greek world. The result of this dispersion is that our knowledge of the Ionic style has to be gathered, not only from the great cities of Asia Minor, but also from the trading colonies such as Naucratis in Egypt, and from outposts established to receive surplus populations, such as Rhegium (Reggio) in southern Italy and Masilia (Marseilles) in France.1
An examination of the architectural remains of the Archaic Greeks in Egypt may reveal features or stylistic elements suggestive of an Egyptian influence on their design. During the reign of Amasis, Herodotus tells us that the Greek settlers of Naukratis constructed numerous temples to their own gods and goddesses. He writes:
[Amasis] made grants of land upon which Greek traders, who did not want to live permanently in Egypt, might erect altars and temples. Of these latter the best known and most used--and also the largest--is the Hellenium; it was built by the joint efforts of the Ionians of Chios, Teos, Phocaea, and Clazomenae, of the Dorians of Rhodes, Cnidos, Halicarnassus, and Phaselis, and of the Aeolians of Mytilene. ... the Aeginetans, however, did build a temple of Zeus separately, the Samians one in honor of Hera, and the Milesians another in honor of Apollo.
Dinsmoor directly compares the Rhoikos temple to the Egyptian Labyrinth, designating the latter as exemplary of the Egyptian architectural characteristics, which influenced the design of the Rhoikos temple. The key architectural characteristic that influenced the Rhoikos temple, according to Dinsmoor, is the "columned halls," or the colonnaded courts and hypostyle halls found in nearly every traditional Egyptian temple. On account of the great columned halls of Egyptian temples such as the Labyrinth, and on account of the vast expanse of densely gathered columns in the peristyle and cella of the Rhoikos temple, these structures were considered labyrinthine. When discussing the Samian Labyrinth, Pliny further supports the significance of the columns and discusses no other features that may have been cause for its labyrinthine quality.
One must wonder then what it is about a vast expanse of columns that makes a structure seem labyrinthine, or maze-like.
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The Egyptian and colossal Ionic temples exhibit further similarity in the conceptual continuity between the structure and the landscape. As expressed above, the dense collection of numerous columns in the Ionic temple peristyle and cella building produce a sort of "forest of columns" effect.
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https://www.saic.edu/~llivin/research/ionic_architecture/index.html
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Ohtani flys out to the warning track...followed by another fly out...Ward gets to first on error...Home Run for Statsi!...his second this season...only one all last season....Mariners 3-2...these precincts with many columns is a "thing", something...Persepolis/Teotihuacan...for sometime...
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Ceilings in temples and tombs were frequently supported with columns in the form of papyrus plants, turning their architectural settings into models of this primeval marsh. Papyrus thickets were seen as liminal zones at the edges of the ordered cosmos, symbols of the untamed chaos that surrounded and perpetually threatened the Egyptian world. Teeming with wild birds and fish as well as dangerous animals such as hippopotamis
and crocodiles, all seen as incarnations of Egypt’s enemies, these were the setting for ritual hunts. The single-handed defeat of these chaotic creatures by a king or noble, often depicted on the walls of temples and elite tombs, was emblematic of the maintenance of the ordered cosmos against the forces of entropy. Papyrus thickets were seen as liminal zones at the edges of the ordered cosmos, symbols of the untamed chaos that surrounded and perpetually threatened the Egyptian world. Teeming with wild birds and fish as well as dangerous animals such as hippopotami and crocodiles, all seen as incarnations of Egypt’s enemies, these were the setting for ritual hunts. The single-handed defeat of these chaotic creatures by a king or noble, often depicted on the walls of temples and elite tombs, was emblematic of the maintenance of the ordered cosmos against the forces of entropy.
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In one of the great mythic cycles central to Egyptian religion, the goddess Isis took her infant son Horus to the papyrus thickets of the north to conceal him from her brother Seth, who had murdered her husband Osiris and usurped his throne. Horus grew to manhood here, hidden among the swaying reeds whose rustling sounds soothed him and masked his cries, until he emerged to defeat his wicked uncle and reclaim his patrimony.
Horus was protected and nursed while a baby by the goddess Hathor, who was worshipped in the ritual of the Shaking of the Papyrus. In its ideal form, this was performed in the marshes by a celebrant who shook actual stalks of papyrus; Hathor’s primary cult instruments, the sistrum ad menat were rattled to produce a comparable rustling sound and evoke this mythical environment.
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/papy/hd_papy.htm
that's so spot on...that the sistrum, it's sound, would evoke the myth of Horus...that's what all these old motifs, things, ARE, evocations...mnemonic devices that evoked stories held in the oral tradition...the oral traditions being gone, the motifs meaning lost too!...that bit about the "hunt"...that's the Great Hunt...on abouts in old posts...and the temple grounds, the labyrinth, the marsh, the forest, where the hunt takes place...St. Peters has a labyrinth?...brb...Chartres Cathedral has famous one...there's lots...Theseus hunts the Minotaur in King Minos labyrinth...the myth has it he was being sacrificed...no, he hunts...he's Horus...a reach!...to bottom of seventh...I'm out of shape...I get tired searching, reading!...and, where am I?...I cant find yet the site that says the Greek column fluting is derived from Egyptian papyrus...those long quotes above nudge up against that...and it was those quotes I found searching Amisis and his Naos, which took me to Crocodilopois and the labyrinth...so, soh, today's diversion took me back to the Amasis Naos!...tomorrowmorrow the Pectorals...Ohtani up...runner on first, no one out...and so, back on track...sorta...ground out F/C...post need editing...copy/paste from Met made a mess...Ohtani stole a base, to third on Pujols K. and next baterrer made out...to top of eighth...bbk with final score...more tomorrowmorrow...bk...top of ninth...pitching pitching pitching...Mariners added 4...Mariners 6-2...oh...I found the papryus columns site...☺...
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The Possible Egyptian Origin of Fluted Doric Columns — Rook Andalus
https://www.rookandalus.com/blogs/2018/7/13/iodapgynbt5lku7et506tpgtulbhgc
This evening I happened upon a 1936 article published in the journal Nature titled, Origin of Fluted Doric Columns. In it, the authors suggest the fluted columns of Greek architecture were inspired from plant stems. At the time the article was written, evidence was lacking to support this theory; there were no known examples of woody plants with constantly fluted stems native to Greece. Fennel, cumin, and caraway were all suggested as possible inspirations, but the paper’s conclusion admittedly lacked much evidential support. Indeed, I should state here, that my hypothesis that I’m about to present here also lacks evidential support.
With that said, I wonder if perhaps the plant Doric columns might have been modeled after could have been the papyrus growing along the banks of the Nile in Egypt. In ancient times, papyrus grew wild along the Nile, with stalks up to 6 inches (~15 cm) in diameter. These weren’t the emaciated papyrus plants we see growing in the gardens at the Getty Villa in California, or on sale at select Home Depot garden centers across the United States. These were large, meaty sedge; each containing enough material to produce a scroll or two of papyrus paper I'd imagine.
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such is the imagination...Mariners 8-2...Trout on maternity leave...to bottom of ninth...Goodwin with double...pasta on the stove...snack time...and, Ohtani hits a three run homerun...Pujos up...pop out...two down...bundled spaghetti...Ward up...ground out, 4-3...Mariners 8-5...
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