Open To Interpretation
Palace Precinct
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Orioles and Angels...bottom of first...one down...Trout up...so, in reading of Mycenae, I come across something I happened on reading about the Moche...the Moche made pottery models of houses, and it turns out the motifs on the houses are being found on the mud brick temples and pyramids, and too the motifs on costumes, textiles, correspond to the public buildings...Trout waps a double...Ohtani up...I went on about this back a ways...
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Tree in the Door's Fauna and Flora: OTI:notes:4/1/19
http://treeinthedoorvideo.blogspot.com/2019/04/otinotes4119.html
Moche Architectural Vessels: Small Structures, Big Implications
Article (PDF Available) · April 2012 with 91 Reads
Juliet Wiersema
University of Texas at San Antonio
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That pdf has a variety pics....and author nails it down that the models are models of real buildings, and maybe specific buildings...the step motif she suggests is a real thing that made a fence too...sacred enclosures with fences....
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Moche potters worked creatively within the restrictions of their chosen medium, the ceramic vessel, using both painted imagery and sculpted forms together to communicate identifiable aspects of specific structures found in the Moche ceremonial precinct, or huaca.
my blog page noted
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so, oh...Ohtani with a W, and on the ball four pitch, it gets away from Orioles catcher, and Trout to third on the wild pitch...so, reading yesterday's pdf file I linked, I find this:
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Let us move to the second part of this article which will focus on the question: How should we assess the artistic relationship between the fresco iconography on architectonic walls and other art forms? It has been assumed that pronounced differences existed between the iconography of Aegean seals and that of wall paint-ings due to contrasting formats and distinct artistic forms; only seldom did connections between them ex-ist.
With assumptions such as these, however, we underestimate the essentially uniform ‘palatial’ character of Aegean Bronze Age iconography. Especially in the arts of Neopalatial Crete, regional predilections can scarcely be recognized, nor are any specialities of individual commissioners detectable
. Furthermore, it is astonishing that we can recognize hardly any fundamental changes in the development of Aegean iconogra- phy from the 17th to the 13th century; this can be demonstra
exchanged and combined in different ways. Thus, vignette-like seal motifs such as these strongly support the exis-tence of some kind of ‘pattern books’ in Neopalatial Crete
Pini’s idea that a collection of clay sealings could have functioned as models, ‘masterdrawings’ or ‘pattern-books’ enabling the dissemination of standardized iconographical motifs into different artistic media is very convincing
Regarding the original models of more complex iconographical scenes at a larger scale, though, it appears more plausible to postulate three-dimensional models,
I have to confess that – in contrast to the title of the present conference – my approach was anything but theory-based. Neither did I touch on social structures, nor was the aim of Aegean art to represent ‘realities’. However, one point becomes clear when we investigate the existence of iconographical cycles and the inter-relationship of different art forms: Aegean iconography was essentially a matter of strictly ‘palatial’ concern, well comparable to what is called ‘palatial architectural forms’
Therefore, it might be doubted whether a ‘non-official iconography’ of isolated, individual or private character ever existed during the palatial periods of the Aegean Bronze Age.
https://www.academia.edu/11110867/_Image_and_architecture_reflections_of_mural_iconography_in_seal_images_and_other_art_forms_of_Minoan_Crete_in_Minoan_Realities._Approaches_to_Images_Architecture_and_Society_in_the_Aegean_Bronze_Age_Aegis_5_Louvain_2012_83-114
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sac fly...Pujols up...Angels 1-0...Calhoun up...Angels make out...to top of second...lead off double...I don't know what happened, whenever I move my mouse over those quotes brought across from my tablet, the text moves!...and it needs spacing edits...stuck...one down on a K...what the author is going on about is that the motifs on the very small Minoan/Mycenean seals are taken from the 'palacial precinct' (actually, create it too...the guild member with like a salesman swatch book!)...this a side by side with the other author going on that the Moche model houses represent the 'sacred enclosures' of the Moche...back when the Pylos Warrior ring seal was in the news, and after looking about to find similar images, which there are, I came to conclusion that the ring and seal makers were copying a painting in a palace...this is a common thing...the statues that were in the Temple to Artemis, and in the Parthenon, are known from images on coins...Lighthouse of Alexandria is like this too, I think...brb...Orioles made out...to bottom of second...one down...Thais up...
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Here again, Roman coins document the image of the Pharos with great refinement. These coins often use the Pharos to symbolize a powerful navy and a growing empire. For example, it features prominently on the reverse of a copper drachm minted in A.D. 133 for the Emperor Hadrian. The Pharos is depicted with Isis, the patron goddess and keeper of the lighthouse.
https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/ngc/ancients-coins-collecting-the-seven-wonders-of-the-world/
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Regnifo up...Angels make out...to top of third...tried to edit the quote jammed up...see the link!...two take aways:...Orioles make out...to bottom of third...take aways: pattern books; and 'non-official iconography'...if there were guilds, and it seems certain there were, the guilds held pattern books, and were the 'official' artisans...sort a circumstance of: if you are a Disney artist, you will do Disney art...individual art shows, galleries, were un-heard of until like the mid-19th century...any individual art done before that was under the auspice of a patron, or officialdom...Trout gets on, I think, then Ohtani hit by pitch...yep...Fletcher fly out to begin, so one down...two runners on...Upton?, W...bases loaded...Calhoun up...shallow fly ball...runners can't advance...two down...Pujols up...1-2 the count...K...heck...to top of fourth...in the ancient world, the absence of individual art is really notable...sure, there were individuals making art, but the art wasn't individualistic!...it was state art, or some such...Angels mess up a run down play...Orioles with runners...
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The subject's expression, which is frequently described as enigmatic,
[10] the monumentality of the composition, the subtle modeling of forms, and the atmospheric illusionism were novel qualities that have contributed to the continuing fascination and study of the work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Lisa
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maybe individuality goes further back!...I dunno...I'm going to post this bit, and try to shake loose of the screen text jumping around...I pasted an image from the tablet, and then deleted it, and I think that confused the google editor...I dunno...see following post!...wait...posting the post stopped the jitters...and back now I can edit...Trout up...runners on...Angels 1-1...bottom of fourth, I think...K...eeek...to top of fifth...Angels have stranded five!...the Minoan throne room has split rosettes beneath the throne...well, looking for this takes me back to old post about the epsilons to either side of the throne...and wiki's pic isn't very good...and all the others are stock photo sites!...Orioles score...Orioles 2-1...Orioles make out...to bottom of fifth...oh!, found a searchword: “triglyph-and-half-rosette”...off and running...Ohtani up...
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To the west and entered through an off-centered doorway is the Throne Room proper, named after the stone throne (Europe’s oldest) set against the north wall and flanked by stone benches which also extend along the west wall and in front of the
parapet which separates the area around the throne from the
Lustral Basin to the south. Flanking the throne, as well as the door leading out of the room to the west, are pairs of large, antithetical wingless griffins; the throne is also immediately bounded on both sides by a palm tree directly above an example of the so-called “triglyph-and-half-rosette” pattern, here possibly to be understood rather as an altar with incurved sides.
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On the Ayia Triadha
sarcophagus, libations are being poured into a {
krater}, or mixing bowl, set between the bases of two tall columns. Each of these columns is capped by a double axe on which sits a bird. The columns are covered with green projections and so may be intended to resemble trees (date palms?) or simply to be columns covered with leaves. Leaves in the form of lengths of the foliate band pattern sometimes substitute for the handles of double axes in vase-painting, while branches are often set up between “
horns of consecration”. On seals, a tree often appears inside a small enclosure in the presence of worshippers and appears to have the same function in such a context as the columns or baetyls discussed above.
https://www.dartmouth.edu/~prehistory/aegean/?page_id=720
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Ohtani fly out...Upton up...Angels make out...to top of sixth...page is all text!...but very good, and grim...two down...W...Orioles make out...to bottom of sixth...
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https://www.google.com/search?q=triglyph-and-half-rosette&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWm9vM29HjAhUFeKwKHY1NDbsQ_AUIESgB&biw=1080&bih=465#imgrc=BlJ6kGInjX-SmM:&spf=1564114244156
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I cant read that, or source it...link is to google images page that has it...Pujols makes out...Smith fly out...another fly out...to top of seventh...
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Fragment of red marble (rosso antico), from the façade of the Treasury of Atreus.
The decoration consists of half-rosettes set in pairs opposed; between each pair, a triglyph in the centre of which are three vertical running spirals. Above and below, squared bead pattern. The wall line shows in the middle; there are two dowel holes on the top near the left end and another near the right on the underside. The slab has a battered surface, the thickness on the two beds being about a centimetre different.
https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=459438&partId=1&searchText=Atreus&page=1
well, that's that motif...the triglyph spirals a look alike to the guilloche spirals...
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https://www.academia.edu/11110867/_Image_and_architecture_reflections_of_mural_iconography_in_seal_images_and_other_art_forms_of_Minoan_Crete_in_Minoan_Realities._Approaches_to_Images_Architecture_and_Society_in_the_Aegean_Bronze_Age_Aegis_5_Louvain_2012_83-114
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fly out to Trout...to bottom of seventh...oh!!!...this seal looks like the Lion Gate!...one down...Fletcher with a hit...Trout up...
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https://helens-daughter.livejournal.com/58867.html
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but no caption...commercial on while pitching change...now, watch/listen...radio will go back to game and Trout will have already swung a couple times...well, not this time...Trout up...page doesn't have a caption, or source...hmmph...but, there, is what looks like one of the 'anvils' of the Lion Gate...which, as I proposed, were painted, and were split rosettes...a six page walk...wait...I did miss pitches...lol...Ohtani up...the anvil on the seal is a stylized split rosette...the small size of the seals makes for some very modern abstraction/stylization...here's another 'Lion Gate'...
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We see a female figure atop a mountain here who must surely be the epiphany of the deity. The mountain is flanked by two lion figures, an image highly resonant with later Greek images of the goddess Rhea and the numerous depictions of the deity flanked by griffins, two of which are discussed below. She is greeted by a saluting male figure whose body displays the same tense arched-back posture seen in the Amnisos ring and numerous peak sanctuary figurines. The image of the deity on the mountain strongly resonates with the notion that many epiphany rituals took place at peak sanctuary sites.
http://www.biroz.net/words/minoan-epiphany/review-part-ten.htm
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Ohtani keeps fouling balls off...3-2 the count...fly out...Upton up...W...bases loaded...Calhoun up...
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http://antiquatedantiquarian.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-minoans-seals-and-sealings.html
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too much to ask Calhoun to step up again...oh, outfielder misjudged the ball, it goes over his head...three runs score...too sad for Baltimore...Angels 4-2...oh, that blog has the best bunch of seals I've come upon!...infield hit for Pujols...runners at corners...oh, those three lobbed motifs hard to the Indus Valley sculpture of the 'priest'...for sometime...Angels make out...to top of eighth...
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The so-called Minoan Genius first made its
appearance in the Mediterranean of the
second Millennium BCE. In the
archaeological literature, this Genius is
described as a fantastic, demonic or even
monstrous creature with significant features
as a wolf-, lion- or dog-like head and an
insectoid body in reference to its pinchedwaist
or even wasp-waist and carapace
(fig. 1). A beak-spouted-ewer is carried by
this creature as an adjunct attribute.
The earliest version of this Genius occurs on
Middle Bronze Age Crete, depicting a
creature with a strong reference to the
Egyptian goddess Taweret.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a1ec/e7cb01d7c8b13dffc17e1c94924b9cf04c45.pdf
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two down, but Orioles get a run...Angels 4-3...Taweret is the Egyptian hippo headed goddess, often seen standing, with a crocodile draped on her back...have to read page to find out how that match cut came about!...oh...Orioles with ground rule double...run scores...Angels 4-4...
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A striking example is the golden
seal-ring found in Tiryns (fig. 11): its oval
surface illustrates a row of four Genii
walking in a procession to the right. They
face a sitting figure interpreted as a goddess.46
same site as above
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that's a better pic of the seal with the Genii...it's actually a gold ring, and knock down gorgeous...the seated goddess is holding a lookalike to the Uruk Vase...Orioles make out...to bottom of eighth...Simmons up...W...Renigfo up...K...Simmons steals second...site author has chapter titled 'Entangled Iteneraries'...fly out...Trout up...it goes on about how motifs spread around, but author has to like build up his own vocabulary to explain it!...tough to follow...1-2 the count...K...to top of ninth...I've come to speculate that the shamans were telepathic, and communicated the motifs to the guild artisans!...aliens with air/space craft works too...lol...there it goes...home run...Orioles 5-4...
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Back to the shields: The figure-eight shields appear to have been framed of wood and/or wicker and covered tightly in cowhide. This would have made them very effective as drums. Rhythmic dancing to a thumping drumbeat is one of the simplest methods of entering trance, used around the world and across time to bridge the worlds.
So the next time you look at an image of a figure-eight shield, in addition to thinking about Bronze Age warriors, consider the shield's use for Bronze Age priests as well.
https://witchesandpagans.com/pagan-paths-blogs/the-minoan-path/minoan-shields-shamanic-tool-of-the-kouretes.html
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ral...fly out to Trout...to bottom of ninth...Ohtani up...
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The Phaistos Disk pictograph of a dog scratching fleas is compared with Minoan cylinder seals of dogs scratching fleas. Is there some special meaning about which leg the dogs use to scratch?
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The circle above the great dog could read "star" and the figure 8 symbol to the left, two stars combined, could read "star group" or constellation, in this case Great Dog, Canis Major, with the largest star in the sky, Sirius. The figure 8 might therefore be a pictograph for constellation, logically so because the stars are infinite, and we might also use it as a clue to the solution of the Phaistos Disk maze puzzle.
https://diskoftheworld.com/index8.htm
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for a moment there, I thought I found an unofficial ancient art work...Ohtani K...Goodwin ties up the game...Angels 5-5...forgot to figure myself that figure 8, the figure 8 of the shields, could be an astronomical motif...Calhoun K...Pujols up...fly out...to top of tenth...Egyptian shields became stele, my whimsy, and then covered with solar motifs, the arc top used for sky motifs...I have some more on this, for tomorrowmorrow!...site author snagged an H' G. Wells (the time traveler, another of my whimsies)
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The fact of orientation links up with the fact that there early arose a close association between various gods and the sun and various fixed stars. Whatever mass of people outside were thinking, the priests of the temples were beginning to link the movements of those heavenly bodies with the power in the shrine. They were thinking about the gods they served and thinking new meanings into them. They were brooding upon the mystery of the stars. It was very natural for them to suppose that these shining bodies, so irregularly distributed and circling so solemnly and silently, must be charged with portents to mankind. This clear evidence of astronomical inquiry and of a development of astronomical ideas is the most obvious, but only the most obvious evidence of the very considerable intellectual activities that went on within the temple precincts in ancient times. Outside the temples the world was still a world of blankly illiterate and unspeculative human beings, living from day to day entirely for themselves. (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History)
https://diskoftheworld.com/index8.htm
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Wells could write too, but I find his grand schemes suspect!...he pretty much predicted the web and Wikipedia...
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World Brain is a collection of essays and addresses by the English science fiction pioneer,
social reformer, evolutionary biologist and historian
H. G. Wells, dating from the period of 1936–1938.
[1] Throughout the book, Wells describes his vision of the World Brain: a new, free, synthetic, authoritative, permanent "World Encyclopaedia" that could help
world citizens make the best use of universal information resources and make the best contribution to world peace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Brain
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I think, hope, Angels are up...oh...yep, but Smith lead off K...game still tied...Angels 5-5...Simmons up...a linked curio for sometime...bit about figures above or riding on animals...
https://12iccs.proceedings.gr/uploads/034_%CE%913_04_%CE%95%CE%A1%CE%93%CE%91%CE%A3%CE%A4%CE%97%CE%A1%CE%99%CE%9F_Blakolmer-Fritz_%CF%84.pdf
Renigfo ground out...to top of eleventh...eesh...another self similar curios site...go figure!
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Does the border of the Bull Leap fresco present a Minoan calendar? Before we try it further with Great Year astronomy, and among the remains of its Minoan era, here is a summary of evidence so far.
The throne of Knossos is aligned to receive direct sunlight on Winter Solstice. The disc-and-crescent carved into the throne’s front facing match contemporary acknowledged lunar/solar symbols, and those have likely reference to the calendric timing of ceremonies and festivals.
http://ancientlights.org/CalendarHouse/ch5.html
Orioles with lead off hit...DP...two down...K...to bottom of eleventh...Fletcher up!...oh, grounder to short...one down...Trout up...K...Ohtani up...
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https://stoneprintjournal.wordpress.com/2018/04/02/the-culture-code-in-seals-and-ring-stamps/
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hmmph...authors didn't take long to go full on whimisical with the Pylos Combat Agate!...Ohtani W...and there again the motifs as astronomy...Shoei steals second...Goodwin W...Calhoun up...once again the question for Calhoun!...for the irrigation collection:
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https://www.google.com/search?q=minoan+seals&rlz=1T4TSNJ_enUS440US440&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwic5YWE4NHjAhUBA6wKHc8QBEIQ_AUIESgB&biw=1080&bih=465#imgrc=5XOy2M6seq7iqM:&spf=1564115430524
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Calhoun, 0-2 the count...ground out to first...hmmph...to top of twelfth...one wonders if the motifs were some kind of exam, some kind of test...like the pinball machine in movieTheLastStarfighter...
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Some Knots were made of costly ivory or faience, and painted or physically mounted on a wall, as if produced and posted to the purpose of some social meaning. They also often appeared with figure-8 shields. While shields are sometimes read as “thunder” signs, they are as frequently literal shields, another possible connection to Minoan “men in the service” on land and sea.
http://ancientlights.org/CalendarHouse/ch7.html
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I dunno!...but knots are suspect!...K...two down...K...to bottom of twelfth...been sitting too long...foray out for late snack...brb...bk...top of fifteenth...one down...runner steals second, and on wild pick off throw, takes third...K...two down...ball with eyes gets out of the infield past Albert...Orioles 7-5....
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https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=minoan+gold+rings&chips=q:minoan+gold+ring,g_1:minoan+period&usg=AI4_-kQJxdq1HIPfxiI6uBFCtngKNHOMRA&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTk8r4itLjAhW3B50JHY3YBf0Q4lYIMygI&biw=1080&bih=465&dpr=1.25#imgdii=oRuSbFaDNrtSTM:&imgrc=bPsUzMYZrxIQPM:&spf=1564126951155
https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/534943261959805021/?lp=true
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hmmph...and now a single, another run...Orioles 8-5...Orioles make out...to bottom of fifteenth...oh!...a curio...if I can find the second of the match cut pair...
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gold_ring_with_relief_deer_hunting_Tiryns_Late_Bronze_Age_NAMA_080836.jpg
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Pujols with lead off hit...found it...
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https://africanrockart.org/rock-art-gallery/algeria/nggallery/page/1
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petroglyphs for sometime...W...two runners on...Renigfo up...one down...here's a better one of the frirst one:
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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Golden-ring-from-the-grave-circle-A-in-Mycenae-16th-century-BC-with-a-scene-of-hunting_fig6_290206976
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count 3-0?...yep...ball four...bases loaded with one out...oh, now they are going on about Baltimore's travails...2-0 the count...the way the horses are superimposed, the legs together...that's Egyptian!...W...Orioles 8-6...0-1 the count to Trout...0-2...Oriole pitcher has found his nerve...1-2...his do or die place!...2-2...note the rosette above the Genii on the gold ring...oh...two runs score...and Fletcher tossed out at home...Trout with a double...Angels 8-8...that rosette a look alike to the chariot wheels...oh, Angels lose the challenge...Fletch called out...two down...Ohtani up...foul fly out...to top of sixteenth...two down...runner on first...
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https://carleton.ca/linr/wp-content/uploads/LinR-Slides-Week-3-Mycenae.pdf
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page doesn't have captions, but arrows and circles are noting the split rosette and tryiglph, the columns, how they relate...there's more...the horn motif, the two birds...for sometime...Orioles scored two with two down...Orioles 10-8...Orioles made out...to bottom of sixteenth...Orioles putting their center fielder on the mound...55 mile an hour pitches...fly out...ground out...slow as they are, they are over the plate...0-2 the count to Pujoles...fly out...oh, fump...Orioles 10-8...but good news for Baltimore!
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