Open To Interpretation
Ten nine eight and I'm breaking away,
I'm all dressed up and ready to play.
Don't Cry Out--Shiny Toy Guns
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Athletics and Angels...top of first...As lead off batter up...fly out to right...123,123, to top of second...As score...As 1-0...one down...I wanted to take some kind of sun dial pic on June 21st, the summer solstice...but, overcast...it's been sunny the last few days, but I forgot my notion, and caught myself today...pic taken at 12:40 PM about...the ancients, the ancient ancients, must have had trouble captioning just what a shadow is!...everything in the day to day was a mystery, though the core being of all life on Earth seems to know exactly what is going on...lots of animals are sensitive to sun shadows...Picket Pins (a High Sierra squirrel)likely sensitive to Hawk's shadow the way we are to screeching breaks at a stop light...shadows are like prints...the pic above a print...like animal tracks...an abstract 'caption' of the thing casting the shadow...with lasers now shadows can be cast on the moon, and an odd thought, if the beam of light on earth is blocked, how fast does the shadow disappear on the moon?....seems the usual speed of light, but a caption is the 'shadow no shadow' happens instantaneously...
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I'm just a layman with no real science background
(a) I'm not really sure what a shadow is. Some people are saying that it's the absence of something (a photon?) and therefore it is not subject to laws of physics. But I know when I'm in a shadow and when in sunlight... that's "information", and I thought that information flow can't break the speed of light limit.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/335537/can-a-shadow-move-faster-than-the-speed-of-light/335573
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hmmph...I dunno...this whole line of thinking has been done, a lot, for a long long time!...
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Plato has Socrates describe a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall from objects passing in front of a fire behind them, and give names to these shadows. The shadows are the prisoners' reality. Socrates explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are not reality at all, for he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the manufactured reality that is the shadows seen by the prisoners.
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They discovered the sun, which Plato uses as an analogy for the fire that man cannot see behind. Like the fire that cast light on the walls of the cave, the human condition is forever bound to the impressions that are received through the senses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
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skin darkens under bright sunlight, lightens when it is always cloudy...clearly our senses know more than we think we know!...anyway...Angels made out...to top of third...Success...right after the game last night, I took to my bunk, propped the new gaming lap top up on my stomach and folded legs, and hardly moved until the sun came up...I made a Mage toon and did exactly what I did the first time I played wow...back then, I figured out how the mouse moved my toon/avatar, and took off walking on a road...and went off road into a forest...and, a mangy wolf got me, and sent me to a weird scene...to wow players, an all too familiar greyed out graveyard scene..but, the screen said click accept to resurrect...which I did...walked a few feet, and was promptly waylaid by another mangy wolf...back to the grave yard...I resurrected a few times more, and reached a point where it was said I had to wait six minutes for another resurrection...I have no idea how the Hindus and Pythagoreans react to this...but it must be a kind of knowing know!...anyway, then I learned to retrace my step to where my corpse was, and 'accept' appeared, and I noted I could go forward a bit from where I was while still a ghost (all the surroundings are greyed out when in this condition). and doing so, I'd hit accept, and, success!...I could go forward, and eventually found some safety on the road...I had no idea I had a weapon to fight with, a hearth stone to take me to my home. away from any trouble...I just dove in, and all I had to go on was the movement keys, forward and back ward...and through a combination of staying on the roads, and graveyard crawling, all the while calculating where a mangy wolf, spiders, horde giant orcs, rock people might be...they meander, and agro when you get near them...agro is like your invisible aura, shadow...they sense it!...Trout with a long out...to top of fourth...and when they sense you they run to you, making to fight...if you know how to use your weapon, you have a chance...without knowing what to do, I died, a lot...in inchworm fashion I made it a good ways past Black Rock Pass...visited Black Rock, peeked at the foundry lava scene, fell in the lava outside...and went past that a long ways...I was entirely lost...but after a bit I figured out how to graveyard crawl my way back the way I came...back in the woods on the road I came upon a street sign, and found my way back to Goldshire, the place where Mages begin...so, last night, I did exactly same thing, made a Mage, and pretended I didn't know anything...and, I may as well not have pretended!...I forgot how to left click the hearth stone to get back, and on finding a flight path station (like a little airport with winged Griffins) in the Burning Steppes, found I didn't have any money for the fare, not having killed anything for loot!...I was stuck for real, unless I just exited the game and deleted the toon I made...fortunately, the six minute delay on the time dead in the graveyard has been shut off...otherwise, I'd still be in the Burning Steppes!...after an hour or two, I was back in Goldshire, and commenced leveling...got to level 8 by daylight...which is slow I know, but I fooled around a lot, and even forgot Goldtooth's cave is above his mine...and Hogger didn't appear...a disappointment...As scored a run...As 2-0...to bottom of fourth...Ohtani up...outahere...Shoetime!...Angels 2-1...playing without weapons was a good thing...how things go came back...I use keybindings now for everything...didn't touch a mouse last night...just used the key pad...a keybind is when one assigns a key to a weapon, or something...a standard is: W-forward; Tab-target an enemy...and so forth...for a long time I used a mouse for movement, and clicking on weapons' and things' icons to activate them...the new computer is noisy, and gets hot...don't know but my old Toshiba Satellite, which had an Intel I-3 chip, the standard for wow back then, I suspect, worked just as well as this new Acer Nitro 5 with I-5...lots of on and ons about gaming computers, much like the on and ons about the pros and cons of being a 'clicker' or a 'key binder'...I much prefer now the keybinds, and if I can figure out how to tilt the scene with keyboard/mouse pad, I'll abandon mouse clicking all together!...As scoring runs in buckets...As 5-1...bottom of fifth...Bour fly out...Fletcher up...two down...Guerno up..three down...to top of sixth...sleepy...time for a nap...I'll update final score!...oh...bottom of sixth...Lastella up leading off, and his second hit...great, Lastella going to all star game as reserve!...Trout and Lastella going together...Trout up...bloop hit...Ohtani up...K...Ohtani might go to home run derby at the all star game...Upton up...fly out...Calhoun up...base hit...As 5-2...update: As win...As 12-3...
:)
DavidDavid
Sunday, June 30, 2019
Saturday, June 29, 2019
OTI:notes:6/29/19
Open To Interpretation
Pillows
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Athletics and Angels...well, I think I have it, World of Warcraft, WOW, is downloading to the new laptop, an ACER Nitro 5, kind of the low end of gaming computers that will work, that are up to speed enough to play World of Warcraft...I played so long on my Toshiba Satellite, oh, it has an Intel I-3, the new one has an Intel I-5...I gather from reading WOW's list of specks, and from watching youtubes about such, I still don't have enough speed...speed is the Intel I-7...but, Blizzard says I-5 will work...Angels turn a double play with bases loaded...to bottom of fourth...new computer is pretty...all black, with red backlit keys, and a few highlights...my funds are in shock...I used a usb transfer cable, and read how to transfer the launcher...I transferred all the files in the file it was in...and, transfered the game, which I began...then a tangle...Trout up...I left it running, and when I came back, it went to sleep, and looked to have shut down too...so I brushed the mouse pad, and it came back on, it was just sleeping, and a window came up warning a transfer was in progress...and I miss clicked on it...'yes' stopped the transfer, or something...so, stuck not knowing how to get it going again...and I turned it off, and back on, and it asked for my password to enter the computer, which I had just made, and didn't write down with all the other passwords and security responses, and, fortunately on a guess that I used, an old favorite password, and that worked...so in business...I clicked on other things when the first launcher didn't work...I thought to abandon the program transfer...if I could get a launcher to work, Blizzard would take care of the rest...and, after some hiccups, that happened...I clicked on some kind of launcher, and Blizzard came up and asked for my name and password for my account...some more hiccups...and the whole WOW program files began downloading...there about a quarter of the way after twenty minutes...which doesn't seem right...those files can take all night...but there is no hurry, and progress is in progress!...success when I'm up and back in the game!...Angels made out...to top of fifth...set the computer to not shut off for four hours...so, I think, if a few hours from now, the download is still going, I can just touch the mouse pad, and it will continue...August 27 the early version of WOW is coming back...Vanilla it is referred to...I began playing after it, but a lot of its style was still in place...late in theBurning Crusade I think is when I began...all the program discs buried somewhere in storage...I began in the third expansion...anyway, my old laptop being free of the transfer now, I can use it...As score...As 1-0...nothing playing the game in Vanilla was easy...which, ironically, is why it is missed...and the irony of Vanilla players, is that they were always bragging about how fast they could level, and because at higher levels the game becomes more interesting, leveling quickly and keeping up with your friends became a thing...Blizzard interpreted this as a sign it should make leveling easier, getting gear easier, getting into dungeons and raid and such, easier...got to the point they offered a new player one toon at the current highest level, or near that...given a 90 when 100 is the next level...and old school players were outraged...rewards they acquired after grinding for months, new players could reach in a few days...and the new players lacked experience playing, so, well, things became a tangle, and many players unsubscribed...myself, my computer was slow, and my phone wire connection made things slower...but, now I have optical phone line...and too a new computer!...which were a grind to get in the real world...I haven't played the game in like four years, but have kept my subscription, loathe to lose the toons I made!...there's 36 gigabytes to go, so, yeah, it's going to take all night...just like when I first downloaded the game...the dvd discs just had launchers, or just part of the program, if I remember right...As made out...Angels made out...As 3-0...to top of sixth...WOW is really the only video game I've ever played...I don't know if I could adapt to another one...and most are so, I don't know, raucous, shoot 'm ups with blood and gore--kids'stuff...WOW has the noise and fury too, but it's for everyone...Disneyesque...As runner over slides second base and gets tagged out, and injured in the slide too..to bottom of sixth...paid forty bucks for the transfer cable...with hindsight, I could have used a small storage device, put the launcher on it, and from that to the new computer, and reached where I am now...as many youtube diy on this that I watched, none made this route clear...I still have lots to move off computers, all my Valley pics that filled up like three of them, so the transfer cable will see use...I'll get a big storage backup, so I can have them all in one place...Trout lines out...to top of seventh...the new computer only has 250 gigabytes of storage...Blizzard recommends 1 Terabyte...23 gigs to go...and green the download bar, so I could play now...wait a bit...I had a bit of a post to do!...in January, Windows 7 will be ended, no more updates to it...and 7 is all my Toshiba can use...pillows...
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http://www.ancientpages.com/2018/06/18/why-did-ancient-egyptians-use-pillows-made-of-stone/
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I got to thinking about pillows...this from reading about a Japanese custom of putting a woodblock paper print under their pillows to ward off bad dreams...and remembered the distinctive shape of Egyptian headrests/pillows...Ohtani up...and thought, 'wait, that's a moon motif'...then, seeing the likes of the above pic, with the lions of yesterday and tomorrow, that represent the two horizons of morning and night, or two mountains with sun between, I thought, wait, with one's head between them, one's head would relate to the Sun...what a neat conceit, and it is exactly what the Egyptian's thought...Angels make out...to top of eighth, As 4-0...
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The most beautiful example is a headrest belonging to Tutankhamun, whose column has been replaced by a depiction of the god Shu, lifting up the head, identified with the sun. On either side of him are two lions, which have been identified as Aker or the lion pair Ruty, the personification of yesterday and today, or Shu and Tefnut.
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/glossary.aspx?id=174
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The motifs used in decorating a headrest can also contribute to this. Many cultures know of a relation between the headrest and the sun.
Headrests can carry inscriptions, wishing the user a good sleep or pleasant dreams. They can also evoke dreams, play a part in divination practices or mediate between the living and the ancestors. They can also keep away bad dreams and evil in general.
https://www.alexanderancientart.com/1072.php
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Because of its supportive nature, the headrest was associated with the solar cult. It held the head, which like the sun, was lowered in the evening and rose again in the morning. A headrest from the tomb of Tutankhamun illustrates this imagery. On the base are the two lions of the horizon and the god of the air Shu upholds the cup for the head. A painting in the Book of the Dead owned by the scribe Ani portrays the solar barque on a stand. The shape of the stand and the bottom of the boat form the shape of hieroglyphic headrest.
http://www.egyptianmyths.net/headrest.htm
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that about the boat is something I've seen but didn't note...depiction of the solar boats always portray them with a crescent hull, like the headrest...in literature criticism there is a name for this when meanings overlap...As make out...to bottom of eighth...14 gigs to go on the download...Angels made out...to top of ninth...oh, I've lost a link...it was to about a Japanese notion of dreams taking place on a boat...
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BEHAVIOR: Makuragaeshi gets it is named for its primary activity: flipping pillows. People who sleep in a room haunted by a makuragaeshi often wake up to find that their pillow has been flipped and is now at their feet. Makuragaeshi are also known for other minor pranks, such as running through ashes and leaving dirty footprints around the rooms they haunt.
http://yokai.com/makuragaeshi/
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As made out...top of the order up...well, I cant find what I read this morning...to keep the pillow movers away, and other nightmare creatures, one places a woodblock print under one's pillow, or some such...wait...search: Japanese tooth fairy...found it with 'woodblock print under pillow Japanese'...lol...
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In Japanese folklore, the Takarabune (宝船), or "Treasure Ship", is a mythical ship piloted through the heavens by the Seven Lucky Gods during the first three days of the New Year. A picture of the ship forms an essential part of traditional Japanese New Year celebrations.
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A picture of the ship forms an essential part of traditional Japanese New Year celebrations.[2] According to custom, placing a Takarabune woodblock print beneath a pillow on the night of 2 January may induce a lucky dream – a sign that the year to come will be fortunate. In the event of an unpleasant dream, the print may be disposed of by tossing it into a river.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takarabune
...found it...Takarabune...As made out, to bottom of ninth...Ohtani up...I think Trout reached first...Ohtani K...there's two 'things' in that quote...the seven lucky gods, and the three days...for sometime...K...and that is how the ball game ends...As 4-0...hmmph...download done...ready to PLAY...report for to tomorrowmorrow!
:)
DavidDavid
Pillows
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Athletics and Angels...well, I think I have it, World of Warcraft, WOW, is downloading to the new laptop, an ACER Nitro 5, kind of the low end of gaming computers that will work, that are up to speed enough to play World of Warcraft...I played so long on my Toshiba Satellite, oh, it has an Intel I-3, the new one has an Intel I-5...I gather from reading WOW's list of specks, and from watching youtubes about such, I still don't have enough speed...speed is the Intel I-7...but, Blizzard says I-5 will work...Angels turn a double play with bases loaded...to bottom of fourth...new computer is pretty...all black, with red backlit keys, and a few highlights...my funds are in shock...I used a usb transfer cable, and read how to transfer the launcher...I transferred all the files in the file it was in...and, transfered the game, which I began...then a tangle...Trout up...I left it running, and when I came back, it went to sleep, and looked to have shut down too...so I brushed the mouse pad, and it came back on, it was just sleeping, and a window came up warning a transfer was in progress...and I miss clicked on it...'yes' stopped the transfer, or something...so, stuck not knowing how to get it going again...and I turned it off, and back on, and it asked for my password to enter the computer, which I had just made, and didn't write down with all the other passwords and security responses, and, fortunately on a guess that I used, an old favorite password, and that worked...so in business...I clicked on other things when the first launcher didn't work...I thought to abandon the program transfer...if I could get a launcher to work, Blizzard would take care of the rest...and, after some hiccups, that happened...I clicked on some kind of launcher, and Blizzard came up and asked for my name and password for my account...some more hiccups...and the whole WOW program files began downloading...there about a quarter of the way after twenty minutes...which doesn't seem right...those files can take all night...but there is no hurry, and progress is in progress!...success when I'm up and back in the game!...Angels made out...to top of fifth...set the computer to not shut off for four hours...so, I think, if a few hours from now, the download is still going, I can just touch the mouse pad, and it will continue...August 27 the early version of WOW is coming back...Vanilla it is referred to...I began playing after it, but a lot of its style was still in place...late in theBurning Crusade I think is when I began...all the program discs buried somewhere in storage...I began in the third expansion...anyway, my old laptop being free of the transfer now, I can use it...As score...As 1-0...nothing playing the game in Vanilla was easy...which, ironically, is why it is missed...and the irony of Vanilla players, is that they were always bragging about how fast they could level, and because at higher levels the game becomes more interesting, leveling quickly and keeping up with your friends became a thing...Blizzard interpreted this as a sign it should make leveling easier, getting gear easier, getting into dungeons and raid and such, easier...got to the point they offered a new player one toon at the current highest level, or near that...given a 90 when 100 is the next level...and old school players were outraged...rewards they acquired after grinding for months, new players could reach in a few days...and the new players lacked experience playing, so, well, things became a tangle, and many players unsubscribed...myself, my computer was slow, and my phone wire connection made things slower...but, now I have optical phone line...and too a new computer!...which were a grind to get in the real world...I haven't played the game in like four years, but have kept my subscription, loathe to lose the toons I made!...there's 36 gigabytes to go, so, yeah, it's going to take all night...just like when I first downloaded the game...the dvd discs just had launchers, or just part of the program, if I remember right...As made out...Angels made out...As 3-0...to top of sixth...WOW is really the only video game I've ever played...I don't know if I could adapt to another one...and most are so, I don't know, raucous, shoot 'm ups with blood and gore--kids'stuff...WOW has the noise and fury too, but it's for everyone...Disneyesque...As runner over slides second base and gets tagged out, and injured in the slide too..to bottom of sixth...paid forty bucks for the transfer cable...with hindsight, I could have used a small storage device, put the launcher on it, and from that to the new computer, and reached where I am now...as many youtube diy on this that I watched, none made this route clear...I still have lots to move off computers, all my Valley pics that filled up like three of them, so the transfer cable will see use...I'll get a big storage backup, so I can have them all in one place...Trout lines out...to top of seventh...the new computer only has 250 gigabytes of storage...Blizzard recommends 1 Terabyte...23 gigs to go...and green the download bar, so I could play now...wait a bit...I had a bit of a post to do!...in January, Windows 7 will be ended, no more updates to it...and 7 is all my Toshiba can use...pillows...
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http://www.ancientpages.com/2018/06/18/why-did-ancient-egyptians-use-pillows-made-of-stone/
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I got to thinking about pillows...this from reading about a Japanese custom of putting a woodblock paper print under their pillows to ward off bad dreams...and remembered the distinctive shape of Egyptian headrests/pillows...Ohtani up...and thought, 'wait, that's a moon motif'...then, seeing the likes of the above pic, with the lions of yesterday and tomorrow, that represent the two horizons of morning and night, or two mountains with sun between, I thought, wait, with one's head between them, one's head would relate to the Sun...what a neat conceit, and it is exactly what the Egyptian's thought...Angels make out...to top of eighth, As 4-0...
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The most beautiful example is a headrest belonging to Tutankhamun, whose column has been replaced by a depiction of the god Shu, lifting up the head, identified with the sun. On either side of him are two lions, which have been identified as Aker or the lion pair Ruty, the personification of yesterday and today, or Shu and Tefnut.
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/glossary.aspx?id=174
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The motifs used in decorating a headrest can also contribute to this. Many cultures know of a relation between the headrest and the sun.
Headrests can carry inscriptions, wishing the user a good sleep or pleasant dreams. They can also evoke dreams, play a part in divination practices or mediate between the living and the ancestors. They can also keep away bad dreams and evil in general.
https://www.alexanderancientart.com/1072.php
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Because of its supportive nature, the headrest was associated with the solar cult. It held the head, which like the sun, was lowered in the evening and rose again in the morning. A headrest from the tomb of Tutankhamun illustrates this imagery. On the base are the two lions of the horizon and the god of the air Shu upholds the cup for the head. A painting in the Book of the Dead owned by the scribe Ani portrays the solar barque on a stand. The shape of the stand and the bottom of the boat form the shape of hieroglyphic headrest.
http://www.egyptianmyths.net/headrest.htm
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that about the boat is something I've seen but didn't note...depiction of the solar boats always portray them with a crescent hull, like the headrest...in literature criticism there is a name for this when meanings overlap...As make out...to bottom of eighth...14 gigs to go on the download...Angels made out...to top of ninth...oh, I've lost a link...it was to about a Japanese notion of dreams taking place on a boat...
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BEHAVIOR: Makuragaeshi gets it is named for its primary activity: flipping pillows. People who sleep in a room haunted by a makuragaeshi often wake up to find that their pillow has been flipped and is now at their feet. Makuragaeshi are also known for other minor pranks, such as running through ashes and leaving dirty footprints around the rooms they haunt.
http://yokai.com/makuragaeshi/
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As made out...top of the order up...well, I cant find what I read this morning...to keep the pillow movers away, and other nightmare creatures, one places a woodblock print under one's pillow, or some such...wait...search: Japanese tooth fairy...found it with 'woodblock print under pillow Japanese'...lol...
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In Japanese folklore, the Takarabune (宝船), or "Treasure Ship", is a mythical ship piloted through the heavens by the Seven Lucky Gods during the first three days of the New Year. A picture of the ship forms an essential part of traditional Japanese New Year celebrations.
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A picture of the ship forms an essential part of traditional Japanese New Year celebrations.[2] According to custom, placing a Takarabune woodblock print beneath a pillow on the night of 2 January may induce a lucky dream – a sign that the year to come will be fortunate. In the event of an unpleasant dream, the print may be disposed of by tossing it into a river.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takarabune
...found it...Takarabune...As made out, to bottom of ninth...Ohtani up...I think Trout reached first...Ohtani K...there's two 'things' in that quote...the seven lucky gods, and the three days...for sometime...K...and that is how the ball game ends...As 4-0...hmmph...download done...ready to PLAY...report for to tomorrowmorrow!
:)
DavidDavid
Friday, June 28, 2019
OTI:notes:6/28/19
Open To Interpretation
Milky Way
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Athletics and Angels...two out two run home run for the As gives them the lead...top of first...As 2-0...K...to bottom of first...Lastella with a hit...Trout up...blasts the ball, but caught...gezzz...Terry was in excited, it's gone, mode, but no...Ohtani up...1-1 the count...heck...another long out...Calhoun up...
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Topless dancer in a back bend, ostrakon, 13th Century B.C., New Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_in_ancient_Egypt
I happened upon this artifact while taking an art class and looking for an Egyptian painting for a source...ended up using a Falcon...posted that painting a ways back...and I found the acrobat a ways back, like 1969...which was about that time that bars...anyway, what charmed me about the pic is the caption suggested like an artist on break, picked up a piece of pottery, and did a quick and personal painting...not so!...over time, I learned the figure is a motif, one from the canon of Egyptian icons...I don't know if any artist back then could do something original of their own...which is why I consider ancient artists 'artisans'--they did what they were told to do, and followed conventions...everyone did...I don't know when originality in art kicks in in the way it is familiar today...the Greeks certainly did original things, kinda...kinda because it all looks like it too is from a canon...I dunno...this mystery for sometime!...to bottom of second...and Pujols sends the ball for a ride, but caught...four outfield long outs!...the clip I reference yesterday, makes the claim the figure of the dancing acrobat is a lookalike for the icon of Hathor/Nut standing on her hands and feet making an arch...I went on about this back a ways, that the pose represented the Night sky, and too the Milky Way...Lucroy with a hit...the As pitcher is hitable...that's what he does, serves up pitches that get hit to defenders...Fletcher is on first base...I thought Lucroy got the hit, no...Terry must have miss announced...!...Regnifo up...maybe Lucroy made out...anyway, the dancer's pose is a lookalike with Hathor's pose...so, something to look for, like the other things I've gathered...one, the number seven relates to the Plaeides; the number three relates to Orion; the arch, or arch pose, relates to the Sky, day or night, and the Milky Way...sometimes I see a circle with a crescent in it's lower section, and have read said this is the Sun and Moon, or even the eclipse, the crescent moon over the sun...the sun is a circle, and rayed star...the Earth, I dunno...the Navajo's I trust, they say the plus sign emblem, the cross with equal arms, surely the simplest of symbols, represents the cardinal directions, and so, the Earth...the World Tree, the Pillars and such, flanked by figures, represent the Earths axis...anything tilted at 23 degrees represents the tilt of the Earth's axis...the St Andrews cross looking things represent the solstices, the x pattern they scribe as the seasons change, and the sun and moon and the Milky Ways position in the sky...the clip with the take about the dancer, captions this movement of the Milky Way in relation to Orion's Belt as like a dance, which was acted out by dancers...a possibility!...ancient dances were performed at the solstices...brb...As hit another, Olsen with his second home run...3 rbi...As 5-0...oh, was doing search: spiral dance, and there's a book titled so...
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The book was revised for 10th- and 20th-anniversary editions in 1989 and 1999, respectively. The original text of the book was left largely untouched. The revisions consist for the most part of introductions and notes reflecting on the origins of the book and the rituals it describes, and changes to the author's beliefs and practices since writing the book.
Although commonly read as a book on Wicca, The Spiral Dance is distinguished by its visionary mysticism and ecstatic experience, and by its emphasis on women and the Goddess (although it also brings in the God, similar to most forms of Wicca). Starhawk trained with Victor Anderson, founder of the Feri Tradition of witchcraft, and with Zsuzsanna Budapest, a feminist separatist involved in Dianic Wicca.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spiral_Dance
a grim wiki take as it recounts how women, thought witches, were persecuted...
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The Labyrinth may be the most well-known and widespread symbol to come out of ancient Minoan spirituality, but it is a static image. What if it were to come alive, to move, to dance? It did so on ancient Crete, and it still does today in Greek folk dances. And the motions of this sinuous dance have many layers of meaning. Let’s explore some of them. Maybe we’ll be inspired to set our own feet moving.
The Labyrinth-in-motion I’m talking about is known as the Crane Dance or Geranos Dance (the word geranos is Greek for ‘crane’ – the bird, not the construction equipment). The Greeks immortalized it in their version of the Theseus myth.
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Some versions of the story describe the dancers imitating the motions of the crane, which is so large and ungainly that it supposedly has to take eight running steps before it can lift off in flight. So the dancers would take eight steps, then leap on the ninth. The dance is often described as snaking back and forth, or spiraling in and out, or both.
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So we can say with confidence that the Minoans were like many other ancient societies, watching the movements of the stars and planets and timing their religious events to those motions. We’re also pretty sure that they used these astronomical events to construct calendars – a solar year, a lunar calendar and an eight-year cycle that neatly combines the movements of the Sun, the Moon and Venus. This eight-year cycle may be the source of the legend about the king being sacrificed every ninth year, and it looks to me like it’s echoed in the eight-step-then-leap portion of the Crane Dance. Also, I find it interesting that the ‘tribute’ Athens paid to King Minos came in the form of fourteen young people, a number equal to half a moon cycle. Numbers are never neutral in mythology.
https://witchesandpagans.com/pagan-paths-blogs/the-minoan-path/the-crane-dance-walking-the-worlds.html
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well, there it is, "Numbers are never neutral in mythology. "...that much is solid ground...everyone agrees on that...'neutral' doesn't seem to be an ancient thing...nothing is decorative, whimsical, or a personal sketch at break time!...lol...Angels are up, but Trout flew out again...oh, Angels made out...As up...batter walks...it's the top of fourth...baseball players are artisans, by the time a player reaches the majors, the game has shaped them...sports writers call them artists in relating their performance, 'he's an aritist on the mound', but that's not quite it...anyway...runner caught stealing, and As make out...to bottom of fourth....artists work in garrets and go to their graves never having made a penny--think Van Gough...lol...actually, for every major leaguer there's thousands and thousands that never make it...same goes for the performing arts...Ohtani with a lead off single...Calhoun up...how baseball is played in Japan is very different than in US...players don't have agents, and are mum about how much money they make...to brag, show off, hurts the team's spirit...teams are owned by companies, and players hired for life...when they finish with baseball, the company finds a position for them...the fans are different too... the fans in the cheap seats, high in the bleachers, beyond the outfield fences, are duty bound to keep up a racket with horns and drums and whistles and cheering every time their team is batting...girl softball players on the benches keep up this keening in the US...Soccer fans do this sort of thing too, including singing entire popular songs...this all in contrast to golf fans where applause after the ball is hit is the only acceptable noise...Angels make out and strand Ohtani, again...that's become a refrain...to top of fifth...fly out to Trout...I have it that meanders, the greek key friezes, represent passing time...a lot of the friezes might be this...generally, this the movement of the sun and moon and planets and stars...opposite colors, day and night, the famous duality gone on and on about...some cultures have just three seasons, some just two...four colors for the four directions...As made out...Fletcher up...Fletch, Ohtani, Trout, notable as team players...well, that's unfair...today, before the game, all the players were in the outfield playing wiffle ball, having long ball contests with practice golf balls...a ploy to engender team spirit...oh, that was another thing, Japanese players sleep in barracks, get one month off, work most days of the week all day...'work ball' they call baseball!...Lucroy up...Regnifo... reached base...Lucroy fly out...Lastella up...ground up...to top of sixth...one down...W...W...
The deity Nut, the Milky Way Galaxy. Ancient Egyptian tombs, and papyri above, have many depictions of the deities traveling Nut's starry body on stellar
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Navajo sand painting of the Great God revolving around the Earth celestial north pole. The different positions around the cross center gives origin to the cultural mytheme of the dying and rising god - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_god - :
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm
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to bottom of sixth...Trout up...K...Ohtani up...hustle hit...Pujols up...
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The Sun Icon
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/folklore/symbolism.html
A sun cross, solar cross, or wheel cross is a solar symbol consisting of an equilateral cross inside a circle.
The same symbol represents the Earth in astronomical symbols, while the Sun is represented by a circle with a center point
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Before the recognition of the spherical shape of the Earth in the Hellenistic period, the main attribute of the Earth was its being flat. The Egyptian hieroglyph for "earth, land" depicts a stretch of flat alluvial land with grains of sand (Gardiner N16
Similarly, the Sumerian cuneiform sign for "earth" KI (𒆠 U+121A0) originates as a picture of a "threshing floor".
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In the medieval period, the known world was also represented by the T-and-O figure, representing an extremely simplified world map of the three classical continents of the Old World, viz. Asia, Europe and Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_symbol
Albert picks up Shoei with a hit...As 5-1...Angels make out...to top of seventh...casting about with web searched to see if can catch something...something is that King David bought a threshing floor, later to be Solomon's Temple...'KI' related to Enki. the Sumerian god...a T is the Tau looking thing, sometime upside down...something to do with wind and seen in Mayan temples (previous posts)...
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Map centred on Delos according to Greek tradition, from a French manuscript of Henry of Huntingdon, late 13th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_and_O_map
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Delos high on my suspects list...As wap a home run...As 7-1...
all the As runs coming with two out...another dismal Angels' refrain..."suspects list, DavidDavid?"...there's no great secret to this effort--I'm in the hunt!...lol...
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The concept of the Wild Hunt was first documented by the German folklorist Jacob Grimm, who first published it in his 1835 book Deutsche Mythologie.[12] It was in this work that he popularised the term Wilde Jagd ("Wild Hunt") for the phenomenon.[12] Grimm's methodological approach was rooted in the idea – common in nineteenth-century Europe – that modern folklore represented a fossilized survival of the beliefs of the distant past. In developing his idea of the Wild Hunt, he mixed together recent folkloric sources with textual evidence dating to the Medieval and Early Modern periods.[13] This approach came to be criticized within the field of folkloristics during the 20th century, as more emphasis was placed on the "dynamic and evolving nature of folklore".
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Another legend recounted how King Herla, having visited the Fairy King, was warned not to step down from his horse until the greyhound he carried jumped down; he found that three centuries had passed during his visit, and those of his men who dismounted crumbled to dust; he and his men are still riding, because the greyhound has yet to jump down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Hunt
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As make out...to bottom of seventh...that last bit related to the story of Seven Sleepers, a Rip van Winkle like tale...time travel...
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In Welsh mythology and folklore, Cŵn Annwn (Welsh pronunciation: [kuːn ˈanʊn], "hounds of Annwn") were the spectral hounds of Annwn, the otherworld of Welsh myth. They were associated with a form of the Wild Hunt, presided over by either Arawn, king of Annwn in the First Branch of the Mabinogi and alluded to in the Fourth, or by Gwyn ap Nudd as the underworld king and king of the fair(y) folk is named in later medieval lore.
In Wales, they were associated with migrating geese, supposedly because their honking in the night is reminiscent of barking dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C5%B5n_Annwn
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Canadian Geese around here look to have green cards, and stay put...Lastella up...base hit...Regnifo made it to second...missed how he got on...Trout coming up...As pitching change...
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Some writers, notably Robert Graves, have written of an incident in which Amaethon steals a dog, lapwing and a white roebuck from Arawn, leading to the Cad Goddeu (Battle of the Trees), which Arawn lost to Amaethon and his brother, Gwydion. The standard text of 'Cad Goddeu' in the Book of Taliesin makes no mention of this, but the Welsh Triads records the Battle of Goddeu as one of the "Three Futile Battles of the Island of Britain...it was brought about by the cause of the bitch, together with the roebuck and the plover",[3] while Lady Charlotte Guest notes in her Mabinogion an account in the Myvyrian Archaeology[4] that the battle "was on account of a white roebuck and a whelp; and they came from Hell, and Amathaon ab Don brought them. And therefore Amathaon ab Don, and Arawn, King of Annwn (Hell), fought. And there was a man in that battle, unless his name were known he could not be overcome; and there was on the other side a woman called Achren, and unless her name were known her party could not be overcome. And Gwydion ab Don guessed the name of the man".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arawn
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it's complicated!...Angels made out...one out...runner on base...
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Cassiopeia, in astronomy, a constellation of the northern sky easily recognized by a group of five bright stars forming a slightly irregular W. It lies at 1 hour right ascension and 60° north declination. Its brightest star, Shedar (Arabic for “breast”), has a magnitude of 2.2. Tycho’s Nova, one of the few recorded supernovas in the Milky Way Galaxy, appeared in Cassiopeia in 1572. This constellation also contains the prominent radio source Cassiopeia A, a supernova remnant, and the nearby galaxies Maffei I and II. In Greek mythology, Cassiopeia was the queen of Ethiopia whose daughter Andromeda was saved by the hero Perseus from being sacrificed to a sea monster.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Cassiopeia-astronomy
the Greeks didn't fool around...they put their heroes in the night sky as constellations...and ever after, all the myths have an understory of astronomical import...poets, authors, could double up on meanings...tell a story of the movement of the stars, planets, sun and moon, beneath the 'cover' story of adventures...As made out...to bottom of seventh...Ohtani up...some Mystereons go so far as to say the story's describe the creation of the solar system, and events on other planets around other stars...Ohtani with a hit...batting 301, and now leading the Angels in hitting average!...Calhoun up...Calhoun lines out...oh, Ohtani at second...hit a double...Pujols up...the stories are certainly strange enough to warrant imaginative speculations!...consider, the twelve labors of Hercules...there's twelve months...twelve one of those numbers!...some antiquarian somewhere sometime has related the labors to the months/seasons...Angels make out...to top of eighth...Hercules and his Labors...hmmph...I cant find a clue that the Labours are astronomical...a lot of them have creatures from constellations...Bull, Lion, Boar...Hercules too becomes a constellation...oh, that clip I referenced that goes on about the Milky Way and Orion, had a little bit about the Southern Cross too...As make out...to bottom of ninth...the precession of the equinox moved the Southern Cross out of view, and it was a big deal when it was in the sky, it marked the planting or harvest time...brb...
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The Star of Bethlehem could have been Acrux from the Southern Cross. Consider this star and everything will fall into place, like finding the correct piece in a jigsaw puzzle.
https://maas.museum/observations/2013/12/18/astronomers-and-the-star-of-bethlehem/
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that quote is from the comment section of that page
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A tetramorph is a symbolic arrangement of four differing elements, or the combination of four disparate elements in one unit. The term is derived from the Greek tetra, meaning four, and morph, shape.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetramorph
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tetramophs for tomorrowmorrow!...oh, the fans have brought back the coyote howling...probably Oakland fans...Fetcher got on and scores on sac fly by Lucroy...As 7-2...Lastella up...two are down...fly out...As win, 7-2...
:)
DavidDavid
Milky Way
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Athletics and Angels...two out two run home run for the As gives them the lead...top of first...As 2-0...K...to bottom of first...Lastella with a hit...Trout up...blasts the ball, but caught...gezzz...Terry was in excited, it's gone, mode, but no...Ohtani up...1-1 the count...heck...another long out...Calhoun up...
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Topless dancer in a back bend, ostrakon, 13th Century B.C., New Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_in_ancient_Egypt
I happened upon this artifact while taking an art class and looking for an Egyptian painting for a source...ended up using a Falcon...posted that painting a ways back...and I found the acrobat a ways back, like 1969...which was about that time that bars...anyway, what charmed me about the pic is the caption suggested like an artist on break, picked up a piece of pottery, and did a quick and personal painting...not so!...over time, I learned the figure is a motif, one from the canon of Egyptian icons...I don't know if any artist back then could do something original of their own...which is why I consider ancient artists 'artisans'--they did what they were told to do, and followed conventions...everyone did...I don't know when originality in art kicks in in the way it is familiar today...the Greeks certainly did original things, kinda...kinda because it all looks like it too is from a canon...I dunno...this mystery for sometime!...to bottom of second...and Pujols sends the ball for a ride, but caught...four outfield long outs!...the clip I reference yesterday, makes the claim the figure of the dancing acrobat is a lookalike for the icon of Hathor/Nut standing on her hands and feet making an arch...I went on about this back a ways, that the pose represented the Night sky, and too the Milky Way...Lucroy with a hit...the As pitcher is hitable...that's what he does, serves up pitches that get hit to defenders...Fletcher is on first base...I thought Lucroy got the hit, no...Terry must have miss announced...!...Regnifo up...maybe Lucroy made out...anyway, the dancer's pose is a lookalike with Hathor's pose...so, something to look for, like the other things I've gathered...one, the number seven relates to the Plaeides; the number three relates to Orion; the arch, or arch pose, relates to the Sky, day or night, and the Milky Way...sometimes I see a circle with a crescent in it's lower section, and have read said this is the Sun and Moon, or even the eclipse, the crescent moon over the sun...the sun is a circle, and rayed star...the Earth, I dunno...the Navajo's I trust, they say the plus sign emblem, the cross with equal arms, surely the simplest of symbols, represents the cardinal directions, and so, the Earth...the World Tree, the Pillars and such, flanked by figures, represent the Earths axis...anything tilted at 23 degrees represents the tilt of the Earth's axis...the St Andrews cross looking things represent the solstices, the x pattern they scribe as the seasons change, and the sun and moon and the Milky Ways position in the sky...the clip with the take about the dancer, captions this movement of the Milky Way in relation to Orion's Belt as like a dance, which was acted out by dancers...a possibility!...ancient dances were performed at the solstices...brb...As hit another, Olsen with his second home run...3 rbi...As 5-0...oh, was doing search: spiral dance, and there's a book titled so...
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The book was revised for 10th- and 20th-anniversary editions in 1989 and 1999, respectively. The original text of the book was left largely untouched. The revisions consist for the most part of introductions and notes reflecting on the origins of the book and the rituals it describes, and changes to the author's beliefs and practices since writing the book.
Although commonly read as a book on Wicca, The Spiral Dance is distinguished by its visionary mysticism and ecstatic experience, and by its emphasis on women and the Goddess (although it also brings in the God, similar to most forms of Wicca). Starhawk trained with Victor Anderson, founder of the Feri Tradition of witchcraft, and with Zsuzsanna Budapest, a feminist separatist involved in Dianic Wicca.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spiral_Dance
a grim wiki take as it recounts how women, thought witches, were persecuted...
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The Labyrinth may be the most well-known and widespread symbol to come out of ancient Minoan spirituality, but it is a static image. What if it were to come alive, to move, to dance? It did so on ancient Crete, and it still does today in Greek folk dances. And the motions of this sinuous dance have many layers of meaning. Let’s explore some of them. Maybe we’ll be inspired to set our own feet moving.
The Labyrinth-in-motion I’m talking about is known as the Crane Dance or Geranos Dance (the word geranos is Greek for ‘crane’ – the bird, not the construction equipment). The Greeks immortalized it in their version of the Theseus myth.
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Some versions of the story describe the dancers imitating the motions of the crane, which is so large and ungainly that it supposedly has to take eight running steps before it can lift off in flight. So the dancers would take eight steps, then leap on the ninth. The dance is often described as snaking back and forth, or spiraling in and out, or both.
... ... ...
So we can say with confidence that the Minoans were like many other ancient societies, watching the movements of the stars and planets and timing their religious events to those motions. We’re also pretty sure that they used these astronomical events to construct calendars – a solar year, a lunar calendar and an eight-year cycle that neatly combines the movements of the Sun, the Moon and Venus. This eight-year cycle may be the source of the legend about the king being sacrificed every ninth year, and it looks to me like it’s echoed in the eight-step-then-leap portion of the Crane Dance. Also, I find it interesting that the ‘tribute’ Athens paid to King Minos came in the form of fourteen young people, a number equal to half a moon cycle. Numbers are never neutral in mythology.
https://witchesandpagans.com/pagan-paths-blogs/the-minoan-path/the-crane-dance-walking-the-worlds.html
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well, there it is, "Numbers are never neutral in mythology. "...that much is solid ground...everyone agrees on that...'neutral' doesn't seem to be an ancient thing...nothing is decorative, whimsical, or a personal sketch at break time!...lol...Angels are up, but Trout flew out again...oh, Angels made out...As up...batter walks...it's the top of fourth...baseball players are artisans, by the time a player reaches the majors, the game has shaped them...sports writers call them artists in relating their performance, 'he's an aritist on the mound', but that's not quite it...anyway...runner caught stealing, and As make out...to bottom of fourth....artists work in garrets and go to their graves never having made a penny--think Van Gough...lol...actually, for every major leaguer there's thousands and thousands that never make it...same goes for the performing arts...Ohtani with a lead off single...Calhoun up...how baseball is played in Japan is very different than in US...players don't have agents, and are mum about how much money they make...to brag, show off, hurts the team's spirit...teams are owned by companies, and players hired for life...when they finish with baseball, the company finds a position for them...the fans are different too... the fans in the cheap seats, high in the bleachers, beyond the outfield fences, are duty bound to keep up a racket with horns and drums and whistles and cheering every time their team is batting...girl softball players on the benches keep up this keening in the US...Soccer fans do this sort of thing too, including singing entire popular songs...this all in contrast to golf fans where applause after the ball is hit is the only acceptable noise...Angels make out and strand Ohtani, again...that's become a refrain...to top of fifth...fly out to Trout...I have it that meanders, the greek key friezes, represent passing time...a lot of the friezes might be this...generally, this the movement of the sun and moon and planets and stars...opposite colors, day and night, the famous duality gone on and on about...some cultures have just three seasons, some just two...four colors for the four directions...As made out...Fletcher up...Fletch, Ohtani, Trout, notable as team players...well, that's unfair...today, before the game, all the players were in the outfield playing wiffle ball, having long ball contests with practice golf balls...a ploy to engender team spirit...oh, that was another thing, Japanese players sleep in barracks, get one month off, work most days of the week all day...'work ball' they call baseball!...Lucroy up...Regnifo... reached base...Lucroy fly out...Lastella up...ground up...to top of sixth...one down...W...W...
The deity Nut, the Milky Way Galaxy. Ancient Egyptian tombs, and papyri above, have many depictions of the deities traveling Nut's starry body on stellar
Milky Way and the Great pyramids Mehr
Navajo sand painting of the Great God revolving around the Earth celestial north pole. The different positions around the cross center gives origin to the cultural mytheme of the dying and rising god - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_god - :
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm
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to bottom of sixth...Trout up...K...Ohtani up...hustle hit...Pujols up...
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The Sun Icon
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/folklore/symbolism.html
The same symbol represents the Earth in astronomical symbols, while the Sun is represented by a circle with a center point
... ... ...
Before the recognition of the spherical shape of the Earth in the Hellenistic period, the main attribute of the Earth was its being flat. The Egyptian hieroglyph for "earth, land" depicts a stretch of flat alluvial land with grains of sand (Gardiner N16
Similarly, the Sumerian cuneiform sign for "earth" KI (𒆠 U+121A0) originates as a picture of a "threshing floor".
... ... ...
In the medieval period, the known world was also represented by the T-and-O figure, representing an extremely simplified world map of the three classical continents of the Old World, viz. Asia, Europe and Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_symbol
Albert picks up Shoei with a hit...As 5-1...Angels make out...to top of seventh...casting about with web searched to see if can catch something...something is that King David bought a threshing floor, later to be Solomon's Temple...'KI' related to Enki. the Sumerian god...a T is the Tau looking thing, sometime upside down...something to do with wind and seen in Mayan temples (previous posts)...
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Map centred on Delos according to Greek tradition, from a French manuscript of Henry of Huntingdon, late 13th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_and_O_map
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Delos high on my suspects list...As wap a home run...As 7-1...
all the As runs coming with two out...another dismal Angels' refrain..."suspects list, DavidDavid?"...there's no great secret to this effort--I'm in the hunt!...lol...
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The concept of the Wild Hunt was first documented by the German folklorist Jacob Grimm, who first published it in his 1835 book Deutsche Mythologie.[12] It was in this work that he popularised the term Wilde Jagd ("Wild Hunt") for the phenomenon.[12] Grimm's methodological approach was rooted in the idea – common in nineteenth-century Europe – that modern folklore represented a fossilized survival of the beliefs of the distant past. In developing his idea of the Wild Hunt, he mixed together recent folkloric sources with textual evidence dating to the Medieval and Early Modern periods.[13] This approach came to be criticized within the field of folkloristics during the 20th century, as more emphasis was placed on the "dynamic and evolving nature of folklore".
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Another legend recounted how King Herla, having visited the Fairy King, was warned not to step down from his horse until the greyhound he carried jumped down; he found that three centuries had passed during his visit, and those of his men who dismounted crumbled to dust; he and his men are still riding, because the greyhound has yet to jump down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Hunt
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As make out...to bottom of seventh...that last bit related to the story of Seven Sleepers, a Rip van Winkle like tale...time travel...
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In Welsh mythology and folklore, Cŵn Annwn (Welsh pronunciation: [kuːn ˈanʊn], "hounds of Annwn") were the spectral hounds of Annwn, the otherworld of Welsh myth. They were associated with a form of the Wild Hunt, presided over by either Arawn, king of Annwn in the First Branch of the Mabinogi and alluded to in the Fourth, or by Gwyn ap Nudd as the underworld king and king of the fair(y) folk is named in later medieval lore.
In Wales, they were associated with migrating geese, supposedly because their honking in the night is reminiscent of barking dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C5%B5n_Annwn
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Canadian Geese around here look to have green cards, and stay put...Lastella up...base hit...Regnifo made it to second...missed how he got on...Trout coming up...As pitching change...
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Some writers, notably Robert Graves, have written of an incident in which Amaethon steals a dog, lapwing and a white roebuck from Arawn, leading to the Cad Goddeu (Battle of the Trees), which Arawn lost to Amaethon and his brother, Gwydion. The standard text of 'Cad Goddeu' in the Book of Taliesin makes no mention of this, but the Welsh Triads records the Battle of Goddeu as one of the "Three Futile Battles of the Island of Britain...it was brought about by the cause of the bitch, together with the roebuck and the plover",[3] while Lady Charlotte Guest notes in her Mabinogion an account in the Myvyrian Archaeology[4] that the battle "was on account of a white roebuck and a whelp; and they came from Hell, and Amathaon ab Don brought them. And therefore Amathaon ab Don, and Arawn, King of Annwn (Hell), fought. And there was a man in that battle, unless his name were known he could not be overcome; and there was on the other side a woman called Achren, and unless her name were known her party could not be overcome. And Gwydion ab Don guessed the name of the man".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arawn
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it's complicated!...Angels made out...one out...runner on base...
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Cassiopeia, in astronomy, a constellation of the northern sky easily recognized by a group of five bright stars forming a slightly irregular W. It lies at 1 hour right ascension and 60° north declination. Its brightest star, Shedar (Arabic for “breast”), has a magnitude of 2.2. Tycho’s Nova, one of the few recorded supernovas in the Milky Way Galaxy, appeared in Cassiopeia in 1572. This constellation also contains the prominent radio source Cassiopeia A, a supernova remnant, and the nearby galaxies Maffei I and II. In Greek mythology, Cassiopeia was the queen of Ethiopia whose daughter Andromeda was saved by the hero Perseus from being sacrificed to a sea monster.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Cassiopeia-astronomy
the Greeks didn't fool around...they put their heroes in the night sky as constellations...and ever after, all the myths have an understory of astronomical import...poets, authors, could double up on meanings...tell a story of the movement of the stars, planets, sun and moon, beneath the 'cover' story of adventures...As made out...to bottom of seventh...Ohtani up...some Mystereons go so far as to say the story's describe the creation of the solar system, and events on other planets around other stars...Ohtani with a hit...batting 301, and now leading the Angels in hitting average!...Calhoun up...Calhoun lines out...oh, Ohtani at second...hit a double...Pujols up...the stories are certainly strange enough to warrant imaginative speculations!...consider, the twelve labors of Hercules...there's twelve months...twelve one of those numbers!...some antiquarian somewhere sometime has related the labors to the months/seasons...Angels make out...to top of eighth...Hercules and his Labors...hmmph...I cant find a clue that the Labours are astronomical...a lot of them have creatures from constellations...Bull, Lion, Boar...Hercules too becomes a constellation...oh, that clip I referenced that goes on about the Milky Way and Orion, had a little bit about the Southern Cross too...As make out...to bottom of ninth...the precession of the equinox moved the Southern Cross out of view, and it was a big deal when it was in the sky, it marked the planting or harvest time...brb...
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The Star of Bethlehem could have been Acrux from the Southern Cross. Consider this star and everything will fall into place, like finding the correct piece in a jigsaw puzzle.
https://maas.museum/observations/2013/12/18/astronomers-and-the-star-of-bethlehem/
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that quote is from the comment section of that page
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A tetramorph is a symbolic arrangement of four differing elements, or the combination of four disparate elements in one unit. The term is derived from the Greek tetra, meaning four, and morph, shape.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetramorph
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tetramophs for tomorrowmorrow!...oh, the fans have brought back the coyote howling...probably Oakland fans...Fetcher got on and scores on sac fly by Lucroy...As 7-2...Lastella up...two are down...fly out...As win, 7-2...
:)
DavidDavid
Thursday, June 27, 2019
OTI:notes:6/27/19
Open To Interpretation
When Turtles Fly
Notes: Game on....on the radio...Athletic and Angels...top of third...Angels 2-1...Calhoun had a two rbi home run...and, Fletcher isn't in the lineup...hmmph...Simmons came back from injury and back at shortstop...someone had to sit...Fletch not my choice...I'd put him behind the plate, before I'd bench him...he about one the game yesterday with his defense at third, and his bat...
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Like the parrot I discussed previously, this turtle is located at the Puuc Maya site of Uxmal in the Yucatan. It’s one of the many turtles decorating the building known, not surprisingly, as the House of the Turtles, which is located at the northeast corner of the enormous platform housing the large structure known as the Governor’s Palace. The turtles decorate the cornice at the top of the building at more or less regular intervals. The turtles are realistically rendered, though their shells are decorated with decortive reliefs.
http://www.buriedmirror.com/latest/uxmal/maya-symbology-turtle/
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Lastella reached base?, yep...Trout flies out...Ohtani up...it's bottom of third...that one's outahere!...home run for Shoei...two rbi...Angels 4-1...Upton up...base hit...wild pitch...Upton to third...an appeal...play stands...Calhoun intentional walk...Pujols up...bloop hit...Angels 5-1...
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I was really surprised, however, when I came across the work of independent researcher Carl de Borhegyi, who has pointed out in his online publication titled Soma in the Americas[2] that the Churning of the Milky Ocean episode has been depicted in a number of Mesoamerican codices, murals and relief panels. For instance, a ball court relief panel from the archaeological site of El Tajin, in Veracruz Mexico, depicts a turtle supporting the central axis, whose circular top can be seen. The churning mechanism used is an intertwined serpent, pulled at both ends by a pair of sky deities. All the key symbolic elements of the churning episode are present in this relief panel. It indicates that only did the cultures of Mesoamerica use very similar turtle symbolisms as those found in Asia, but they even drew from the same mythological tales.
https://www.bibhudevmisra.com/2016/11/the-turtle-supporting-mount-meru-in.html
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hmmph...that's a motif, the milk churning, gone on and on about in book Hamlet's Mill...fly out, runners move up....Regnifo up...base hit...two rbis...Angels 7-1...somewhere I saw a real good take of the Mayan origin stones together with the turtle motif and the Maize god, which is Tlaloc, I think...Regnifo picked off, caught in a run down...to top of fourth...Tlaloc is Aztec god associated with rain, like Mayan Chaac...As with home run...Angels 7-2...As up still...two down...
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Toward dawn on the night of Aug 13, the constellation Orion moves toward the zenith. The Quiche people still refer to a triad of three bright stars in Orion as "the hearth stones", and the hazy nebula below Orion's belt is called "the smoke from the hearth". Orion is also called the turtle stars (ak' ek), depicted in the Madrid Codex as a turtle with three tun ("stone") glyphs on its back. Because the sky has not yet been raised, the hearth is a location in both earth and sky. The turtle shell is an earth symbol, like the back of the crocodile at the foot of the World Tree. Here is the place of Creation, where the sky will rise again.
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Image: Turtle (ak) constellation and the three stones (ox tun) of creation hang from a skyband representing the ecliptic
https://bookofthrees.com/mayan-culture-the-hearth-stones-of-creation/
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As made out...bottom of fourth...Lastella flew out...Trout up...3-1 the count...fly out...Ohtani up...I've noted before the Andeans have origin stones too, found under one of those platforms not long ago...if such relate to Orion (Orions Onion!:)), then, likely lots of stories of three stones...K...to top of fifth...As made out...to bottom of fifth...Upton up...K...Calhoun up...Angels make out...to top of seventh?, nope, sixth...clip about Orion and myths...for sometime...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNvaJdVdP-8
the big thing for the Mystereons is that the three Giza pyramids represent Orion...Pyramids as the primeval mound, as origin stone, is a kind of fit!...I dunno...DP...to bottom of sixth...
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Left: Madrid Codex, depicts the three hearth stones of creation on the turtle. Right: Copan, Guatemala. “One head of the turtle is facing north, and the other is facing south.”
http://www.ancientpages.com/2015/08/29/myths-legends-reveal-ancient-turtle-worship-linked-creation-world/
Simmons with hit...Regnifo up...there, I found the turtle with the stones!...Regnifo hit...Lucroy up...DP...or was that Lastella...Angels lead majors in hitting into DPS....Trout up...
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Dec 5, 2010
The Guardian
A British team of archaeologists on expedition in the Peruvian Andes has hailed as “sensational” the discovery of some of the most sacred objects in the Inca civilisation – three “ancestor stones”, which were once believed to form a precious link between the heavens and the underworld.
http://www.kimmacquarrie.com/discovery-of-sacred-inca-stones-linking-the-heavens-with-earth/
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that's about the fourth time I've copy/pasted that...it mentions the stones relate to Inca gods, but, I don't know who the Inca, or any of the Andean gods are, except a couple--Veracucha, Pachamama...with no Andean writing it's hard to say...Trout wapped an rbi single..wild pitch...runners advance to second and third...Ohtani up, 2-1 the count...3-1...Orion has something to do with the Milky Way and the churning the milk motif...the movement of the Milky Way, like a dance around Orion...see youtube clip linked above!...Ohtani K...to top of seventh...and, like the number seven always being suspected to relate to the Pleiades, the number 3 can be thought to relate to Orion...
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In ancient Mesopotamia, the turtle was associated with the god Enki and was used on kudurrus as one of Enki's symbols.[23] In the myth of Ninurta and the Turtle, Enki thwarts an attempt by the god Ninurta to seize absolute power by creating a giant turtle and releasing it behind Ninurta, so it bites the hero's ankle.[24][25][23] As they struggle, the turtle digs a pit with its claws, which both of them fall into.[24][25][23] Enki gloats over Ninurta's defeat.[24][25][23] The heron and the turtle is an ancient Sumerian story that has survived to this day.
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The flat plastron and domed carapace of a turtle parallel the ancient Chinese idea of a flat earth and domed sky.[29] For the Chinese as well as the Indians, the tortoise symbolizes the universe. Quoting Pen T'sao, "the upper dome-shaped part of its back has various signs, which correspond with the constellations on the sky, and this is Yan; the lower part has many lines, which relate to the earth and is the Yin.[7]
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In China, the tortoise was also called the Black warrior, standing as a symbol of power, tenacity, and longevity, as well as that of north and winter.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_turtles
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As hit into double play...to bottom of seventh...Enki's turtle emblem is where the last four or five posts began!...two down...Pujols up...K...to top of eighth...Angels 8-2...
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At this point we could still dismiss all the ancient turtle’s stories as pure mythology.
However, the story gets even more interesting when we learn about ancient peoples’ contact with the three-legged turtle. According to ancient myths and legends, Chinese people came in direct contact with a very strange being that gave them knowledge for the future.
We learn that “from the river I, the three-legged turtle Nai delivered the eternal laws on iron Lo-tablets to the Chinese.”
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Native Americans of Delaware also speak of a three-legged turtle in their Great Flood story. The East Pomo, a Hoka Native American tribe, speaks of a race that was evil and terrible. They were capable of flying through the sky in turtles made of impenetrable iron with which they could drill themselves into the earth.
According to the ancient Maya, the beginning of time was initiated with “Three Stones of Creation” by the deity Wak Chan-Ahaw, which literally means “Risen Master of the Sky.” Wak Chan-Ahaw was the god of corn, oftentimes also referred to as Hun Huhnapu, father of the heroic twins. He was killed in the underworld. Yet, with the help of his sons, he was resurrected. This resurrection is always represented by him emerging out of a turtle shell.
It is interesting to note that in Central America, Guatemala there are a number of ancient myths and legends describing how natives witnessed giant flying turtles the skies.
http://www.ancientpages.com/2015/08/29/myths-legends-reveal-ancient-turtle-worship-linked-creation-world/
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attendance for tonight over 40,000..Trout backpack giveaway night...
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In Central America, Guatemala according to archaeologists the earliest human settlements in this region date back over 14,000 years. In this region we can find numerous ancient artifacts, and among them is this one: The figure of a man lying inside what appears to be the shell of a turtle and according to legend, these are the giant flying turtles which flew around in Guatemala.
https://ancientufo.org/how-turtle-symbolism-is-connected-to-ancient-astronauts-hypothesis/
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As make out, and pick up a run...Angels 8-3...the 'man lying inside' is the pic in previous quote...to bottom of eighth...Simmons up...K...Rengifo up...the bit about the flying turtles that dived underground, I found so charming to work into a little sci fi story...Turtles have been done...Ursula LeGuins book/movieThe Lathe of Heaven...and, if I remember right, Mario Brothers!...brb...Angels make out...to top of ninth
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Koopa Kingdom is Bowser's domain as well as the home of the Koopalings, homeland of the Koopa species, rival kingdom of Mushroom Kingdom, and is the final world in Mario's adventures.
The geography is extremely volcanic, some areas being wastelands, volcanos, lava rivers, and largely untouched by sunlight. This country was defended by the military forces of Koopa Troop with large numbers of tanks and airships patrol these lands to be defeated by Mario and Luigi. Shown in the Yoshi series, Bowser is ruler of the Koopa Kingdom since childhood and is located to Dinosaur Land.
https://mario.fandom.com/wiki/Koopa_Kingdom
https://mario.fandom.com/wiki/Koopa_Troopa
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As made out...Angels 8-3...put a halo over this one!...
:)
DavidDavid
When Turtles Fly
Notes: Game on....on the radio...Athletic and Angels...top of third...Angels 2-1...Calhoun had a two rbi home run...and, Fletcher isn't in the lineup...hmmph...Simmons came back from injury and back at shortstop...someone had to sit...Fletch not my choice...I'd put him behind the plate, before I'd bench him...he about one the game yesterday with his defense at third, and his bat...
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Like the parrot I discussed previously, this turtle is located at the Puuc Maya site of Uxmal in the Yucatan. It’s one of the many turtles decorating the building known, not surprisingly, as the House of the Turtles, which is located at the northeast corner of the enormous platform housing the large structure known as the Governor’s Palace. The turtles decorate the cornice at the top of the building at more or less regular intervals. The turtles are realistically rendered, though their shells are decorated with decortive reliefs.
http://www.buriedmirror.com/latest/uxmal/maya-symbology-turtle/
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Lastella reached base?, yep...Trout flies out...Ohtani up...it's bottom of third...that one's outahere!...home run for Shoei...two rbi...Angels 4-1...Upton up...base hit...wild pitch...Upton to third...an appeal...play stands...Calhoun intentional walk...Pujols up...bloop hit...Angels 5-1...
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I was really surprised, however, when I came across the work of independent researcher Carl de Borhegyi, who has pointed out in his online publication titled Soma in the Americas[2] that the Churning of the Milky Ocean episode has been depicted in a number of Mesoamerican codices, murals and relief panels. For instance, a ball court relief panel from the archaeological site of El Tajin, in Veracruz Mexico, depicts a turtle supporting the central axis, whose circular top can be seen. The churning mechanism used is an intertwined serpent, pulled at both ends by a pair of sky deities. All the key symbolic elements of the churning episode are present in this relief panel. It indicates that only did the cultures of Mesoamerica use very similar turtle symbolisms as those found in Asia, but they even drew from the same mythological tales.
https://www.bibhudevmisra.com/2016/11/the-turtle-supporting-mount-meru-in.html
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hmmph...that's a motif, the milk churning, gone on and on about in book Hamlet's Mill...fly out, runners move up....Regnifo up...base hit...two rbis...Angels 7-1...somewhere I saw a real good take of the Mayan origin stones together with the turtle motif and the Maize god, which is Tlaloc, I think...Regnifo picked off, caught in a run down...to top of fourth...Tlaloc is Aztec god associated with rain, like Mayan Chaac...As with home run...Angels 7-2...As up still...two down...
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Toward dawn on the night of Aug 13, the constellation Orion moves toward the zenith. The Quiche people still refer to a triad of three bright stars in Orion as "the hearth stones", and the hazy nebula below Orion's belt is called "the smoke from the hearth". Orion is also called the turtle stars (ak' ek), depicted in the Madrid Codex as a turtle with three tun ("stone") glyphs on its back. Because the sky has not yet been raised, the hearth is a location in both earth and sky. The turtle shell is an earth symbol, like the back of the crocodile at the foot of the World Tree. Here is the place of Creation, where the sky will rise again.
... ... ...
Image: Turtle (ak) constellation and the three stones (ox tun) of creation hang from a skyband representing the ecliptic
https://bookofthrees.com/mayan-culture-the-hearth-stones-of-creation/
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As made out...bottom of fourth...Lastella flew out...Trout up...3-1 the count...fly out...Ohtani up...I've noted before the Andeans have origin stones too, found under one of those platforms not long ago...if such relate to Orion (Orions Onion!:)), then, likely lots of stories of three stones...K...to top of fifth...As made out...to bottom of fifth...Upton up...K...Calhoun up...Angels make out...to top of seventh?, nope, sixth...clip about Orion and myths...for sometime...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNvaJdVdP-8
the big thing for the Mystereons is that the three Giza pyramids represent Orion...Pyramids as the primeval mound, as origin stone, is a kind of fit!...I dunno...DP...to bottom of sixth...
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Left: Madrid Codex, depicts the three hearth stones of creation on the turtle. Right: Copan, Guatemala. “One head of the turtle is facing north, and the other is facing south.”
http://www.ancientpages.com/2015/08/29/myths-legends-reveal-ancient-turtle-worship-linked-creation-world/
Simmons with hit...Regnifo up...there, I found the turtle with the stones!...Regnifo hit...Lucroy up...DP...or was that Lastella...Angels lead majors in hitting into DPS....Trout up...
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Dec 5, 2010
The Guardian
A British team of archaeologists on expedition in the Peruvian Andes has hailed as “sensational” the discovery of some of the most sacred objects in the Inca civilisation – three “ancestor stones”, which were once believed to form a precious link between the heavens and the underworld.
http://www.kimmacquarrie.com/discovery-of-sacred-inca-stones-linking-the-heavens-with-earth/
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that's about the fourth time I've copy/pasted that...it mentions the stones relate to Inca gods, but, I don't know who the Inca, or any of the Andean gods are, except a couple--Veracucha, Pachamama...with no Andean writing it's hard to say...Trout wapped an rbi single..wild pitch...runners advance to second and third...Ohtani up, 2-1 the count...3-1...Orion has something to do with the Milky Way and the churning the milk motif...the movement of the Milky Way, like a dance around Orion...see youtube clip linked above!...Ohtani K...to top of seventh...and, like the number seven always being suspected to relate to the Pleiades, the number 3 can be thought to relate to Orion...
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In ancient Mesopotamia, the turtle was associated with the god Enki and was used on kudurrus as one of Enki's symbols.[23] In the myth of Ninurta and the Turtle, Enki thwarts an attempt by the god Ninurta to seize absolute power by creating a giant turtle and releasing it behind Ninurta, so it bites the hero's ankle.[24][25][23] As they struggle, the turtle digs a pit with its claws, which both of them fall into.[24][25][23] Enki gloats over Ninurta's defeat.[24][25][23] The heron and the turtle is an ancient Sumerian story that has survived to this day.
... ... ...
The flat plastron and domed carapace of a turtle parallel the ancient Chinese idea of a flat earth and domed sky.[29] For the Chinese as well as the Indians, the tortoise symbolizes the universe. Quoting Pen T'sao, "the upper dome-shaped part of its back has various signs, which correspond with the constellations on the sky, and this is Yan; the lower part has many lines, which relate to the earth and is the Yin.[7]
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In China, the tortoise was also called the Black warrior, standing as a symbol of power, tenacity, and longevity, as well as that of north and winter.
... ... ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_turtles
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As hit into double play...to bottom of seventh...Enki's turtle emblem is where the last four or five posts began!...two down...Pujols up...K...to top of eighth...Angels 8-2...
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At this point we could still dismiss all the ancient turtle’s stories as pure mythology.
However, the story gets even more interesting when we learn about ancient peoples’ contact with the three-legged turtle. According to ancient myths and legends, Chinese people came in direct contact with a very strange being that gave them knowledge for the future.
We learn that “from the river I, the three-legged turtle Nai delivered the eternal laws on iron Lo-tablets to the Chinese.”
... ... ...
Native Americans of Delaware also speak of a three-legged turtle in their Great Flood story. The East Pomo, a Hoka Native American tribe, speaks of a race that was evil and terrible. They were capable of flying through the sky in turtles made of impenetrable iron with which they could drill themselves into the earth.
According to the ancient Maya, the beginning of time was initiated with “Three Stones of Creation” by the deity Wak Chan-Ahaw, which literally means “Risen Master of the Sky.” Wak Chan-Ahaw was the god of corn, oftentimes also referred to as Hun Huhnapu, father of the heroic twins. He was killed in the underworld. Yet, with the help of his sons, he was resurrected. This resurrection is always represented by him emerging out of a turtle shell.
It is interesting to note that in Central America, Guatemala there are a number of ancient myths and legends describing how natives witnessed giant flying turtles the skies.
http://www.ancientpages.com/2015/08/29/myths-legends-reveal-ancient-turtle-worship-linked-creation-world/
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attendance for tonight over 40,000..Trout backpack giveaway night...
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But things get a lot more interesting when we talk about the maya maize god. Legend states he resurrected from a turtle. In many scenes, an aquatic environment strongly comes to the fore , most famously in the maize deity’s resurrection from the carapace of a turtle that is floating on the waters.
Such an environment also characterizes an important maize myth shared by many ethnic groups (such as Huaxtecs, Totonacs, Nahuas and Zoques) inhabiting Mexico’s Gulf Coast.
His auto-proclamed ressurection, Chaac kwoned as Tlaloc among the Aztecs, was the god of rain. The Chorti Maya have preserved important folklore regarding the process of rain-making, which involved rain deities striking rain-carrying snakes with their axes.In Central America, Guatemala according to archaeologists the earliest human settlements in this region date back over 14,000 years. In this region we can find numerous ancient artifacts, and among them is this one: The figure of a man lying inside what appears to be the shell of a turtle and according to legend, these are the giant flying turtles which flew around in Guatemala.
https://ancientufo.org/how-turtle-symbolism-is-connected-to-ancient-astronauts-hypothesis/
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As make out, and pick up a run...Angels 8-3...the 'man lying inside' is the pic in previous quote...to bottom of eighth...Simmons up...K...Rengifo up...the bit about the flying turtles that dived underground, I found so charming to work into a little sci fi story...Turtles have been done...Ursula LeGuins book/movieThe Lathe of Heaven...and, if I remember right, Mario Brothers!...brb...Angels make out...to top of ninth
quote
Koopa Kingdom is Bowser's domain as well as the home of the Koopalings, homeland of the Koopa species, rival kingdom of Mushroom Kingdom, and is the final world in Mario's adventures.
The geography is extremely volcanic, some areas being wastelands, volcanos, lava rivers, and largely untouched by sunlight. This country was defended by the military forces of Koopa Troop with large numbers of tanks and airships patrol these lands to be defeated by Mario and Luigi. Shown in the Yoshi series, Bowser is ruler of the Koopa Kingdom since childhood and is located to Dinosaur Land.
https://mario.fandom.com/wiki/Koopa_Kingdom
https://mario.fandom.com/wiki/Koopa_Troopa
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As made out...Angels 8-3...put a halo over this one!...
:)
DavidDavid
Wednesday, June 26, 2019
OTI:notes:6/26/19
Open To Interpretation
Aegina
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Reds and Angels...top of sixth...runner on third...two down...Angels 1-1...Puig hit a home run...missed it...I had thought to go to game, but change of plans, and stayed home...then Bour hit a home run for the Angels...Reds make out...to bottom of sixth...so, I discovered a coin with a Turtle stamp in the horde of the Darius foundation box, and this is a lookalike to gold coins minted on the Greek island...brb...Trout up...K...Ohtani up...2 for 2, single and a double...stranded on second a couple innings back...on the Greek island Aegina...Ohtani W...and promptly steals second on next batters first pitch...Upton up...game began at 5 pm, early start so Reds could get on to their next town...and it's hot out after all of June being overcast and cool, which kept me away from going to games...on a hot day the 7pm games are nice...Upton walks...on a cool day, kind of miserable, sitting high up...anyway...
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The silver stater with a turtle is a coin from the 6th century BC Greece. The front has a sea turtle design, while the back has a punch mark, found on most coins at that time. The earliest coins were made of electrum, a mix of gold and silver. The coins were first made in the island of Aegina off the southeast side of Greece. Some historical sources say the first coins were made by the king of Argos, Pheidon. The coins with 'turtle' design are considered "an important early trading currency".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_stater_with_a_turtle
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Aegina, according to Herodotus,[6] was a colony of Epidaurus, to which state it was originally subject. Its placement between Attica and the Peloponnesus made it a site of trade even earlier, and its earliest inhabitants allegedly came from Asia Minor.
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Its early history reveals that the maritime importance of the island dates back to pre-Dorian times. It is usually stated on the authority of Ephorus, that Pheidon of Argos established a mint in Aegina, the first city-state to issue coins in Europe,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegina
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Goodwin makes out...Fletcher up...runners on first and second...grounds out...Ohtani stranded at second a second time...to top of seventh...infield hit to lead off...
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Type of the Aegina stater found in the Apadana hoard, 550–530 BCE. Obv: Sea turtle with large pellets down centre. Rev: incuse square punch with eight sections.
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:)
DavidDavid
Aegina
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Reds and Angels...top of sixth...runner on third...two down...Angels 1-1...Puig hit a home run...missed it...I had thought to go to game, but change of plans, and stayed home...then Bour hit a home run for the Angels...Reds make out...to bottom of sixth...so, I discovered a coin with a Turtle stamp in the horde of the Darius foundation box, and this is a lookalike to gold coins minted on the Greek island...brb...Trout up...K...Ohtani up...2 for 2, single and a double...stranded on second a couple innings back...on the Greek island Aegina...Ohtani W...and promptly steals second on next batters first pitch...Upton up...game began at 5 pm, early start so Reds could get on to their next town...and it's hot out after all of June being overcast and cool, which kept me away from going to games...on a hot day the 7pm games are nice...Upton walks...on a cool day, kind of miserable, sitting high up...anyway...
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The silver stater with a turtle is a coin from the 6th century BC Greece. The front has a sea turtle design, while the back has a punch mark, found on most coins at that time. The earliest coins were made of electrum, a mix of gold and silver. The coins were first made in the island of Aegina off the southeast side of Greece. Some historical sources say the first coins were made by the king of Argos, Pheidon. The coins with 'turtle' design are considered "an important early trading currency".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_stater_with_a_turtle
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quote
Aegina, according to Herodotus,[6] was a colony of Epidaurus, to which state it was originally subject. Its placement between Attica and the Peloponnesus made it a site of trade even earlier, and its earliest inhabitants allegedly came from Asia Minor.
... ... ...
Its early history reveals that the maritime importance of the island dates back to pre-Dorian times. It is usually stated on the authority of Ephorus, that Pheidon of Argos established a mint in Aegina, the first city-state to issue coins in Europe,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegina
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Goodwin makes out...Fletcher up...runners on first and second...grounds out...Ohtani stranded at second a second time...to top of seventh...infield hit to lead off...
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Type of the Aegina stater found in the Apadana hoard, 550–530 BCE. Obv: Sea turtle with large pellets down centre. Rev: incuse square punch with eight sections.
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- After awhile, Aegina began minting a land tortoise coin instead of the sea turtle...hard to see, but the back has a dolphin in one of the corners...these coins were the first coin money, anywhere...oh, a W, runners first and second...maybe I can show the reach in a hurried run on sentence!...Reds make out...by chance, I literally bumped the tablet from one youtube clip to another, the another about the Egyptian Osireaon...now I've seen the Osireon before, and the caption about the water in the bottom of it, it was designed that way, the shrine is like set at ground water level, but I had forgotten this, but, I was looking for ground water takes, as the Sumerian god Enki is the god of ground water...in the desert ground water is really important, and too, Enki has the symbol of a turtle...with those two thoughts in mind, and another thought about Egyptian gods Nun and Set...Nun related to ground water, Set to turtle emblem, I considered the clip about the Osireon....the ground water at the Osireon a fit, my thought...and it is...both the Sumerians and the Egyptians, desert cultures, revered ground water...the Sumerians had really good irrigation, canals and such, on a part with Andeans...writing now, I dimly recall below surface canals with occasional openings to the surface in Arabia...I'll look for this!...Qanat!...so, Egyptians have ground water gods, gods of the underworld...underworld and under ground water look to go together in the old myths...and this rings a bell, as over in Mesoamerica there is god Chaac/Tlaloc...both represented with turtle motifs, very complicated!, and the underworld...the Yucatan peninsula is a flat limestone shelf, and rain just gets sucked up by it like a sponge...but it is riddled with caves, and cenotes, with under ground rivers...Mayans were really big on under ground water/underground world...and thinking on it, it has a resonance...underground water is like the Earth's blood beneath it's skin, ground level surface...in a dry land, or a limestone shelf, it is where all the vegetation and animals get their moisture...and so very treasured...now, over with the Andeans I've been wanting to go on for a long while about their irrigation feats...they mastered the run off from the Andes, making it replenish the ground water, so they would have water in the long dry seasons...just up the street from home, is a pond sort of thing, always filled with water...read said it is used to replenish the aquifer for Town's wells...in places, the cemented Santa Ana rivers isn't cemented...in these places water pools and soaks down into the ground...so, so, I've gathered some things to go on about regarding ancient's irrigation skills, and all the while carrying the ground water notion, I keep coming upon turtles!...the myths about turtles are really cool!...so, so there's the reach with its preceding steps...Enki, Nun/Set, Chaac/Tlaloc, Andean gods???...the Egyptians started out eating turtles, then revering them, then trying to kill as many as they could...the later because, I think, turtles related to Set, the enemy of Horus...but that's just weird...cultures world wide have turtle stories, and likely many stories of springs and fountains and underground rivers...if I remember right, the Styx disappears under ground...in the desert, one sees creeks among the boulders that disappear under the sand, then reappear, and then disappear...Trout up...3-1 count...lead off walk...Ohtani up...they still walk Trout if a threat to tip the game, and still Angels 1-1...pick off sails off, throwing error...Trout to second...Ohtani base hit!!!...runners at the corners...Upton up...ground out...Trout stays put, Ohtani moves up, first base open...Goodwin up...I think...Terry a bit fast and loose with who is up!...lol...K...geezzz...now, Fletcher is up...1-1 the count...3-1...tomorrowmorrow will be turtles all the way down!...some kind of hit for Fletch...Angels 2-1...ball was fielded, but no time, or place at third, to make the throw anywhere...Bour up...another one...home run...that should cheer Bour up!...second home run for him in game...Angels 5-1...it's the bottom of the eighth!...Regnifo grounds out...to top of ninth...K, passed ball, throw out, just!...one down...Puig up...I can go to San Diego and maybe see Puig at a Padres game...K...ground out...appeal...nope...Angels 5-1...put a halo over this one!
:)
DavidDavid
Tuesday, June 25, 2019
OTI: notes2:6/25/19
Open To Interpretation
Turtles
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Reds and Angels...Ohtani with hit...Trout on with bloop hit goes to second...I forgot Puig is with the Reds...and though a NL team, because they are at an AL park, Angels still can use DH...Reds too...didn't go to game, thinking I wouldn't see Ohtani in the lineup, he could only pinch hit, NL rules...but, had that wrong...so go to game tomorrowmorrow!...see everyone play including Puig...Upton up, K....Angels 4-1...fly out...to top of sixth...Lastella with a solo home run, Renigfo with 3 rbi home run for Angels in early innings...
quote
The texts indicate that the king is to dig “as
far as the limit of Nun.” Here, as in later scenes, the foundation ritual attempts to mimic
certain realities described in the Egyptian cosmogony. Nun is the name of the primeval
waters of chaos out of which the world was created. According to Egyptian creation
myths, out of Nun rose the primeval mound of earth on which the first temple was built.
In the context of the temple foundations, the “limit of Nun” may have been symbolized
by the water table.
https://cdr.lib.unc.edu/concern/parent/mp48sd548/file_sets/dj52w544w
unquote
W...note 'ground water, water table, Nun'...Ramirez comes into pitch for Heaney...Puig up...K...Puig protests call, tossed...and Bell the manager tossed...oh, I missed all this not being at game--pure Puig!...
quote
Enki (/ˈɛŋki/; Sumerian: dEN.KI(G)𒂗𒆠) is the Sumerian god of water, knowledge (gestú), mischief, crafts (gašam), and creation (nudimmud), and one of the Anunnaki.
... ... ...
The exact meaning of his name is uncertain: the common translation is "Lord of the Earth". The Sumerian En is translated as a title equivalent to "lord" and was originally a title given to the High Priest. Ki means "earth", but there are theories that ki in this name has another origin, possibly kig of unknown meaning, or kur meaning "mound". The name Ea is allegedly Hurrian in origin while others [5][6] claim that his name 'Ea' is possibly of Semitic origin and may be a derivation from the West-Semitic root *hyy meaning "life" in this case used for "spring", "running water". In Sumerian E-A means "the house of water", and it has been suggested that this was originally the name for the shrine to the god at Eridu. It has also been suggested that the original non-anthropomorphic divinity at Eridu was not Enki but Abzu. The emergence of Enki as the divine lover of Ninhursag, and the divine battle between the younger Igigi divinities and Abzu, saw the Abzu, the underground waters of the Aquifer, becoming the place in which the foundations of the temple were built.
... ... ...
The main temple to Enki was called E-abzu, meaning "abzu temple" (also E-en-gur-a, meaning "house of the subterranean waters"), a ziggurat temple surrounded by Euphratean marshlands near the ancient Persian Gulf coastline at Eridu. It was the first temple known to have been built in Southern Iraq. Four separate excavations at the site of Eridu have demonstrated the existence of a shrine dating back to the earliest Ubaid period, more than 6,500 years ago. Over the following 4,500 years, the temple was expanded 18 times, until it was abandoned during the Persian period.[8] On this basis Thorkild Jacobsen[9] has hypothesized that the original deity of the temple was Abzu, with his attributes later being taken by Enki over time. P. Steinkeller believes that, during the earliest period, Enki had a subordinate position to a goddess (possibly Ninhursag), taking the role of divine consort or high priest,[10] later taking priority. The Enki temple had at its entrance a pool of fresh water, and excavation has found numerous carp bones, suggesting collective feasts. Carp are shown in the twin water flows running into the later God Enki, suggesting continuity of these features over a very long period. These features were found at all subsequent Sumerian temples, suggesting that this temple established the pattern for all subsequent Sumerian temples. "All rules laid down at Eridu were faithfully observed".[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki#Iconography
unquote
Reds make out...Fletcher up...Renigfo up...oh, the whole wiki goes on and on about the ground water underworld...those were probably carp going up the vase goddess' from Wari skirt...just had that thought!...carp going up waterfalls is special in Japan...brb...Angels made out...to top of seventh...one down...two more down...to bottom of seventh...
quote
fishes and wavy lines, which possibly imitate flowing water.
... ... ...
hold vessels with spurting water in their both hands. ... ... ...
1987: 198-200; Fig. 14).
... ... ...
... ... ...
easy to analyse the image of die figure with regard to its
with regard to that.
http://bazhum.muzhp.pl/media//files/Swiatowit_rocznik_poswiecony_archeologii_przeddziejowej_i_badaniom_pierwotnej_kultury_polskiej_i_slowianskiej/Swiatowit_rocznik_poswiecony_archeologii_przeddziejowej_i_badaniom_pierwotnej_kultury_polskiej_i_slowianskiej-r2011-t9_(50)-nA/Swiatowit_rocznik_poswiecony_archeologii_przeddziejowej_i_badaniom_pierwotnej_kultury_polskiej_i_slowianskiej-r2011-t9_(50)-nA-s81-98/Swiatowit_rocznik_poswiecony_archeologii_przeddziejowej_i_badaniom_pierwotnej_kultury_polskiej_i_slowianskiej-r2011-t9_(50)-nA-s81-98.pdf
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Lastella with base hit...Trout up...fly out against the wall...Tovar pinch runner for Lastella?...Tovar tagged up and moved to second base...Ohtani up...2-0 count...oh, another one against the wall, caught...and Tovar tagged up and made it home...outfielder forgot how many were out!...Angels 5-1...Ohtani gets an rbi?...lol...yep...Angels made out...Reds made out...Fletcher up...ground out two down...Renigfo...that site has a bunch!...I hadn't thought that the Goddess with a Vase from Mari was a lookalike with Innana figures at her temple at Uruk...there's that, which was kind of goose bumpy to find...I've gone on about the Innana temple figures, and now realize I saw their lookalike in the Goddess of the Vase at the LA museum show like forty years ago...when I found that the Egyptians had a 'making the mud brick' vignette for their building event rituals, I saw examples of the wood boxes used to make Egyptian bricks...and I thought, 'oh, there might be a standard measure'!...but, no, read said the size of mud bricks in Egypt varied...but, but now on this page, I read said that the Sumerians who made glazed colored ceramic bricks, used the bricks as a canon of proportions for their illustrations...so, the Sumerians have a standard brick, or, at least, when bricks are used for illustration, just so many of them make a figure's height, or some such...whole paper is about proportions in Sumerian art...Reds have a runner on second...pdf author sets the Sumerian grid canon beside the Egyptian grid cannon, and they are much alike...'coincidence' the author suggests...lol...I was just looking for Enki's turtle emblem, which I saw mention of somewhere, so to continue on about the ground water mention and the gold coin with turtle emblem...runners on second and third...fly out to Calhoun...and that's the final out of the game!...more turtles tomorrowmorrow!...lol...Angels 5-1...put a halo over this one!
:)
DavidDavid
Turtles
Notes: Game on...on the radio...Reds and Angels...Ohtani with hit...Trout on with bloop hit goes to second...I forgot Puig is with the Reds...and though a NL team, because they are at an AL park, Angels still can use DH...Reds too...didn't go to game, thinking I wouldn't see Ohtani in the lineup, he could only pinch hit, NL rules...but, had that wrong...so go to game tomorrowmorrow!...see everyone play including Puig...Upton up, K....Angels 4-1...fly out...to top of sixth...Lastella with a solo home run, Renigfo with 3 rbi home run for Angels in early innings...
quote
The texts indicate that the king is to dig “as
far as the limit of Nun.” Here, as in later scenes, the foundation ritual attempts to mimic
certain realities described in the Egyptian cosmogony. Nun is the name of the primeval
waters of chaos out of which the world was created. According to Egyptian creation
myths, out of Nun rose the primeval mound of earth on which the first temple was built.
In the context of the temple foundations, the “limit of Nun” may have been symbolized
by the water table.
https://cdr.lib.unc.edu/concern/parent/mp48sd548/file_sets/dj52w544w
unquote
W...note 'ground water, water table, Nun'...Ramirez comes into pitch for Heaney...Puig up...K...Puig protests call, tossed...and Bell the manager tossed...oh, I missed all this not being at game--pure Puig!...
quote
Enki (/ˈɛŋki/; Sumerian: dEN.KI(G)𒂗𒆠) is the Sumerian god of water, knowledge (gestú), mischief, crafts (gašam), and creation (nudimmud), and one of the Anunnaki.
... ... ...
The exact meaning of his name is uncertain: the common translation is "Lord of the Earth". The Sumerian En is translated as a title equivalent to "lord" and was originally a title given to the High Priest. Ki means "earth", but there are theories that ki in this name has another origin, possibly kig of unknown meaning, or kur meaning "mound". The name Ea is allegedly Hurrian in origin while others [5][6] claim that his name 'Ea' is possibly of Semitic origin and may be a derivation from the West-Semitic root *hyy meaning "life" in this case used for "spring", "running water". In Sumerian E-A means "the house of water", and it has been suggested that this was originally the name for the shrine to the god at Eridu. It has also been suggested that the original non-anthropomorphic divinity at Eridu was not Enki but Abzu. The emergence of Enki as the divine lover of Ninhursag, and the divine battle between the younger Igigi divinities and Abzu, saw the Abzu, the underground waters of the Aquifer, becoming the place in which the foundations of the temple were built.
... ... ...
The main temple to Enki was called E-abzu, meaning "abzu temple" (also E-en-gur-a, meaning "house of the subterranean waters"), a ziggurat temple surrounded by Euphratean marshlands near the ancient Persian Gulf coastline at Eridu. It was the first temple known to have been built in Southern Iraq. Four separate excavations at the site of Eridu have demonstrated the existence of a shrine dating back to the earliest Ubaid period, more than 6,500 years ago. Over the following 4,500 years, the temple was expanded 18 times, until it was abandoned during the Persian period.[8] On this basis Thorkild Jacobsen[9] has hypothesized that the original deity of the temple was Abzu, with his attributes later being taken by Enki over time. P. Steinkeller believes that, during the earliest period, Enki had a subordinate position to a goddess (possibly Ninhursag), taking the role of divine consort or high priest,[10] later taking priority. The Enki temple had at its entrance a pool of fresh water, and excavation has found numerous carp bones, suggesting collective feasts. Carp are shown in the twin water flows running into the later God Enki, suggesting continuity of these features over a very long period. These features were found at all subsequent Sumerian temples, suggesting that this temple established the pattern for all subsequent Sumerian temples. "All rules laid down at Eridu were faithfully observed".[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki#Iconography
unquote
Reds make out...Fletcher up...Renigfo up...oh, the whole wiki goes on and on about the ground water underworld...those were probably carp going up the vase goddess' from Wari skirt...just had that thought!...carp going up waterfalls is special in Japan...brb...Angels made out...to top of seventh...one down...two more down...to bottom of seventh...
quote
The
Goddess wears a long robe with engraved depictions of
fishes and wavy lines, which possibly imitate flowing water.
... ... ...
A depiction which is similar to the “Goddess with
a Vase” can be seen on the facade of the temple of Innin at
Uruk (A zarpay 1987: 201; Fig. 13). It is a Kassite temple
built during the rule of Karaindash, ca. 1415 BC. The
facade portraits male and female deities alternately, who
hold vessels with spurting water in their both hands. ... ... ...
Each deity is built of 15 rows of
bricks, with 2 rows being used for the depiction of the head
with the headgear, and 1 - for the face itself (A zarpay
1987: 198-200; Fig. 14).
... ... ...
In all these three cases the head is unnaturally
small in relation to the entire body and such an elongation
of the body of the figure is due to standard sizes of bricks
die facades were made of (A zarpay 1987; 198, 199). The
figures made of rows of horizontal bricks are divided into
units of equal height. This division facilitates an understand
ing of their proportions, as the elements of the bodies
are often shown in one such unit, e.g., hands or the face in
die facade of the temple of Inshushinak (Fig. 15).... ... ...
Depictions situated on brick walls have a sort of a
grid, made by bonding of bricks. Thanks to this grid, it is
easy to analyse the image of die figure with regard to its
proportions. On the other hand, the bricks also influence
the appearance of the depiction. Their thickness often defines
die height of individual parts of the body, thanks to
which the figures on the friezes are elongated. Depictions
with no visible indications concerning dieir proportions
are carefully measured and analysed in order to gather data
with regard to that.
http://bazhum.muzhp.pl/media//files/Swiatowit_rocznik_poswiecony_archeologii_przeddziejowej_i_badaniom_pierwotnej_kultury_polskiej_i_slowianskiej/Swiatowit_rocznik_poswiecony_archeologii_przeddziejowej_i_badaniom_pierwotnej_kultury_polskiej_i_slowianskiej-r2011-t9_(50)-nA/Swiatowit_rocznik_poswiecony_archeologii_przeddziejowej_i_badaniom_pierwotnej_kultury_polskiej_i_slowianskiej-r2011-t9_(50)-nA-s81-98/Swiatowit_rocznik_poswiecony_archeologii_przeddziejowej_i_badaniom_pierwotnej_kultury_polskiej_i_slowianskiej-r2011-t9_(50)-nA-s81-98.pdf
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Lastella with base hit...Trout up...fly out against the wall...Tovar pinch runner for Lastella?...Tovar tagged up and moved to second base...Ohtani up...2-0 count...oh, another one against the wall, caught...and Tovar tagged up and made it home...outfielder forgot how many were out!...Angels 5-1...Ohtani gets an rbi?...lol...yep...Angels made out...Reds made out...Fletcher up...ground out two down...Renigfo...that site has a bunch!...I hadn't thought that the Goddess with a Vase from Mari was a lookalike with Innana figures at her temple at Uruk...there's that, which was kind of goose bumpy to find...I've gone on about the Innana temple figures, and now realize I saw their lookalike in the Goddess of the Vase at the LA museum show like forty years ago...when I found that the Egyptians had a 'making the mud brick' vignette for their building event rituals, I saw examples of the wood boxes used to make Egyptian bricks...and I thought, 'oh, there might be a standard measure'!...but, no, read said the size of mud bricks in Egypt varied...but, but now on this page, I read said that the Sumerians who made glazed colored ceramic bricks, used the bricks as a canon of proportions for their illustrations...so, the Sumerians have a standard brick, or, at least, when bricks are used for illustration, just so many of them make a figure's height, or some such...whole paper is about proportions in Sumerian art...Reds have a runner on second...pdf author sets the Sumerian grid canon beside the Egyptian grid cannon, and they are much alike...'coincidence' the author suggests...lol...I was just looking for Enki's turtle emblem, which I saw mention of somewhere, so to continue on about the ground water mention and the gold coin with turtle emblem...runners on second and third...fly out to Calhoun...and that's the final out of the game!...more turtles tomorrowmorrow!...lol...Angels 5-1...put a halo over this one!
:)
DavidDavid
OTI:notes1:6/25/19
Open To Interpretation
Foundation Deposits
Notes: As I go along, I happen on things that go with things in old posts, and I wish I had happened on them when I was doing the posts!...these pics go with the last few days...
quote
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0624/e21ce8fdc2b32f6f16dd9f04113b62bcefaa.pdf?_ga=2.227835165.1698001939.1561497803-1601744265.1534823590
unquote
I made a stubborn image search after finding the Sumerian foundation pegs, which stepped to Egyptian foundation deposits, and, that continues!...that pdf above has some dedication inscriptions...generally, foundation deposits are a universal world wide phenomena, which, is something, I'm not sure what...trick maybe with editing spelling in English is to pronounce each letter distinctly for what they are, like in Spanish...fee no me na...I forget if Spanish has an 'ahhh'...I dunno...first, I don't know a word's spelling, then, when I find it, or have used it correctly before, I forget it, and have to look carefully and hang on to it from the dictionary on line...phaoraoh, nope...pharaoh...yep...Pythagorean...yep...Herodotus...oh, on a roll...anyway...I found a good youtube clip about the Egyptian foundation rituals, there are like ten events that were celebrated...arrival of Pharaoh at the site; stretching the chord, to lay out the site; plowing the foundation; pouring the sand into the trenches (the sand was base for the stones or mud bricks); setting a stone in place... and, well, I'll source them...lots of sites about them, but very very few show the vignettes on all the temple walls...the clip does that okay...it set me back to see the vignettes...it's obvious how they related to just building...nothing mystical or weird about them...and the Egyptians thought of them enough to make them as large as all the other vignettes...I gather from seeing them that the Egyptians were keen on event rituals: this happens, then this, then this...like the stations of the Cross, the events of Jesus going to the crucifixion...and that's how ancient vignettes are supposed to often be read...events in a sequential passage, a ritual...the Greek's have event vignettes, but they are from a whole mythological story, not a part of something like building a temple, or burying a Pharaoh...though stories do have a 'story line', so, there's that...the youtube site: (push through the intro, and mute the music!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay1ofI7neyg
and then I found this pdf, which is really good...
quote
grasps a large hoe with both hands (fig. 124). The texts indicate that the king is to dig “as
far as the limit of Nun.” Here, as in later scenes, the foundation ritual attempts to mimic
certain realities described in the Egyptian cosmogony. Nun is the name of the primeval
waters of chaos out of which the world was created. According to Egyptian creation
myths, out of Nun rose the primeval mound of earth on which the first temple was built.
In the context of the temple foundations, the “limit of Nun” may have been symbolized
by the water table. This ritual is sometimes reflected in the contents of Egyptian
below).395
https://cdr.lib.unc.edu/concern/parent/mp48sd548/file_sets/dj52w544w
unquote
oh, I forgot 'making the mud brick'...site has like eight of them...and is more about Greek foundation deposits, but explains where the Greeks got the idea, and it is an 'of course', that foundation deposits relate to tomb deposits...the Egyptian ones are kind of funky, just plain pots, tools, building materials...but, and then, over in Persia, there's Darius' Box...brb...
quote
The Apadana hoard is a hoard of coins that were discovered under the stone boxes containing the foundation tablets of the Apadana Palace in Persepolis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apadana_hoard#/media/File:Aegina_Stater_achaic.jpg
unquote
I happened on a page that was going on about the Mormon founder Joseph Smith and his legendary gold plates, and it linked to Darius' as an example to what Joseph's may have looked like (Darius' are too big)...Darius' tablets were made of gold and silver, and that gold coin found with them is a curio!...I'll make a second post today when the game comes on this evening--Turtle Island...
:)
DavidDavid
Foundation Deposits
Notes: As I go along, I happen on things that go with things in old posts, and I wish I had happened on them when I was doing the posts!...these pics go with the last few days...
quote
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0624/e21ce8fdc2b32f6f16dd9f04113b62bcefaa.pdf?_ga=2.227835165.1698001939.1561497803-1601744265.1534823590
unquote
I made a stubborn image search after finding the Sumerian foundation pegs, which stepped to Egyptian foundation deposits, and, that continues!...that pdf above has some dedication inscriptions...generally, foundation deposits are a universal world wide phenomena, which, is something, I'm not sure what...trick maybe with editing spelling in English is to pronounce each letter distinctly for what they are, like in Spanish...fee no me na...I forget if Spanish has an 'ahhh'...I dunno...first, I don't know a word's spelling, then, when I find it, or have used it correctly before, I forget it, and have to look carefully and hang on to it from the dictionary on line...phaoraoh, nope...pharaoh...yep...Pythagorean...yep...Herodotus...oh, on a roll...anyway...I found a good youtube clip about the Egyptian foundation rituals, there are like ten events that were celebrated...arrival of Pharaoh at the site; stretching the chord, to lay out the site; plowing the foundation; pouring the sand into the trenches (the sand was base for the stones or mud bricks); setting a stone in place... and, well, I'll source them...lots of sites about them, but very very few show the vignettes on all the temple walls...the clip does that okay...it set me back to see the vignettes...it's obvious how they related to just building...nothing mystical or weird about them...and the Egyptians thought of them enough to make them as large as all the other vignettes...I gather from seeing them that the Egyptians were keen on event rituals: this happens, then this, then this...like the stations of the Cross, the events of Jesus going to the crucifixion...and that's how ancient vignettes are supposed to often be read...events in a sequential passage, a ritual...the Greek's have event vignettes, but they are from a whole mythological story, not a part of something like building a temple, or burying a Pharaoh...though stories do have a 'story line', so, there's that...the youtube site: (push through the intro, and mute the music!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay1ofI7neyg
and then I found this pdf, which is really good...
quote
The fourth ritual in the series is the excavation of the foundation trench by the
king and is entitled “hoeing the earth.” In the accompanying relief sculpture, the kinggrasps a large hoe with both hands (fig. 124). The texts indicate that the king is to dig “as
far as the limit of Nun.” Here, as in later scenes, the foundation ritual attempts to mimic
certain realities described in the Egyptian cosmogony. Nun is the name of the primeval
waters of chaos out of which the world was created. According to Egyptian creation
myths, out of Nun rose the primeval mound of earth on which the first temple was built.
In the context of the temple foundations, the “limit of Nun” may have been symbolized
by the water table. This ritual is sometimes reflected in the contents of Egyptian
foundation deposits (especially in the 18th Dynasty), which can include model hoes (see
below).395
https://cdr.lib.unc.edu/concern/parent/mp48sd548/file_sets/dj52w544w
unquote
oh, I forgot 'making the mud brick'...site has like eight of them...and is more about Greek foundation deposits, but explains where the Greeks got the idea, and it is an 'of course', that foundation deposits relate to tomb deposits...the Egyptian ones are kind of funky, just plain pots, tools, building materials...but, and then, over in Persia, there's Darius' Box...brb...
quote
The Apadana hoard is a hoard of coins that were discovered under the stone boxes containing the foundation tablets of the Apadana Palace in Persepolis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apadana_hoard#/media/File:Aegina_Stater_achaic.jpg
unquote
I happened on a page that was going on about the Mormon founder Joseph Smith and his legendary gold plates, and it linked to Darius' as an example to what Joseph's may have looked like (Darius' are too big)...Darius' tablets were made of gold and silver, and that gold coin found with them is a curio!...I'll make a second post today when the game comes on this evening--Turtle Island...
:)
DavidDavid
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